What should be on Bernie's wish list? (1 Viewer)

Started to watch that Vice piece and the deal about who owns the seeds... Yeah watch this one and let me know how fucked you think shits been over the years. Once you go down this rabbit hole... Just an FYI this will fuck with your mind and challenge everything you think you know about history.

 
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IMO overturning Citizen's United is the most important thing. It is the one issue that is connected to almost every other issue. If Bernie can get her to promise a supreme court appointment that will overturn CU it would almost make being forced to vote for her palatable.
 
How much leverage does Bernie give up by fighting a losing battle till the third day of the Democratic convention? He still has some influence on his voters. He still might campaign for Clinton. Sanders might even raise money for the DNC. But six more weeks of Sanders tilting at windmills isn't going to help Clinton.
 
How much leverage does Bernie give up by fighting a losing battle till the third day of the Democratic convention? He still has some influence on his voters. He still might campaign for Clinton. Sanders might even raise money for the DNC. But six more weeks of Sanders tilting at windmills isn't going to help Clinton.
I don't think he is very concerned with helping Clinton at all. She is everything he is against as an ultra establishment candidate. If he can leverage anything out of her I will be surprised. I will be even more surprised if she follows through with any of the things she may offer in return for support.
 
It seems to me that Clinton and Sanders have a fair amount of overlapping interests. Sanders might have issues where he wants a more aggressive progressive approach, but there aren't very many issues where the two differ diametrically.

However, enforcement issues plague many political deals. If you can't trust the other side to keep it's future obligations, it will be hard to get much trading done.
 
Honestly? He can wish, or huff and puff all he likes but he's in no position of power to make concession demands. Why should the losing platform get to hostage-take with a weaker/less popular platform? Clinton didn't have a list of demands for her concession in 08 IIRC, and she helped end the bad blood by having Obama nominated by acclamation and vigorously campaigning for him. It remains to see be seen if Sanders will bow out graciously and campaign for her.
 
Just got this e-mail from Bernie's campaign. This is not the type of message that someone who is interested in unifying the party sends. It's clear to me he wants to put pressure on the Clinton campaign to work towards campaign finance reform. That's his number 1 issue, and if he can get Clinton to somehow commit to doing that, then I think you'll see Bernie fall in line and support (and encourage those who voted for him to support) Clinton.

Aaron -

I want to share something with you that is probably going to make you angry, but then I am going to give you an opportunity to do something about it.

For months, you've heard the Clinton campaign endlessly repeat in interviews and on social media that they have raised millions and millions of dollars for state parties through something called the "Hillary Victory Fund." They've even used it as an attack line to insinuate Bernie wasn't willing to help down-ballot Democrats.

Well, yesterday morning, thanks to a Politico investigation, we found out that less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by the Victory Fund has stayed in state party coffers. And indeed, the majority of the money spent by the Victory Fund has gone to benefit Hillary Clinton's primary campaign against us. The piece said some state party fundraisers believe they are basically acting as "money laundering conduits."

There's more, but first let me get to the part where you can take action. In recent weeks, the Clinton campaign has expressed a lot of interest in what is important to Bernie's supporters. Here's your chance to send a message about our distaste for big-money in politics:

Sign our petition calling on the Clinton campaign to stop bending campaign finance rules to their breaking point, and immediately transfer all the money allowable to the state parties participating in the "Hillary Victory Fund."

Here's how the scheme works for the Clinton campaign:

Rich people like Alice Walton of Walmart who have already contributed the maximum amount allowable to the Clinton campaign can contribute an additional $350,000-plus to the Victory Fund.

The first $33,400 of her contribution is supposed to go the DNC, and the rest divided up between participating state parties. But that's not what's been happening. The Victory Fund has mostly been doing one of two things with Ms. Walton's money:

1. Taking that money and spending it on advertisements and small-dollar fundraising solicitations. Then they take all the small-dollar contributions and data reaped from Alice Walton's contribution and transfer it directly to the Clinton campaign. This tactic is basically a way for them to benefit from a contribution much larger than the legal limit from Alice Walton.

2. They take Alice Walton's money and transfer it to state parties, who then immediately transfer it to the DNC. Often times they do it without the state party even knowing because the Clinton campaign controls many of the bank accounts involved. So at the end of the day, most of the state parties have received exactly $0 from their Victory Fund arrangement.

So, now that we know the Clinton campaign is taking advantage of state parties to skirt fundraising limits on her presidential campaign, it's time for her to do the right thing and let the state parties keep their fair share of the cash:

Sign our petition calling on the Clinton campaign to stop bending campaign finance rules to their breaking point, and immediately transfer all the money allowable to the state parties participating in the "Hillary Victory Fund."

It's unfortunate that Hillary Clinton has benefited from tens of millions of dollars in cash transfers and advertising to campaign against us in the primary. But it's not too late for her campaign to do the right thing by the state parties we're going to need to win elections up and down the ticket this November.

I'm sure if you sign our petition, that is something they will notice.

In solidarity,

Jeff Weaver
Campaign Manager
Bernie 2016
 
Bernie hasn't been a Democrat for very long and he only joined so that he could run for president. It isn't clear to me that he would have any interest in unifying the party except as a lesser of two evils kind of thing.

Post convention, the only way he holds any power is to the extent he holds his base and he doesn't do that by giving up and endorsing Clinton.
 
Honestly? He can wish, or huff and puff all he likes but he's in no position of power to make concession demands. Why should the losing platform get to hostage-take with a weaker/less popular platform? Clinton didn't have a list of demands for her concession in 08 IIRC, and she helped end the bad blood by having Obama nominated by acclamation and vigorously campaigning for him. It remains to see be seen if Sanders will bow out graciously and campaign for her.

Unfortunately the United States Congress is currently structured to allow the losing party make ludicrous demands while in the minority so it would at least be in keeping with the current spirit of American government and politics.
 
Honestly? He can wish, or huff and puff all he likes but he's in no position of power to make concession demands. Why should the losing platform get to hostage-take with a weaker/less popular platform? Clinton didn't have a list of demands for her concession in 08 IIRC, and she helped end the bad blood by having Obama nominated by acclamation and vigorously campaigning for him. It remains to see be seen if Sanders will bow out graciously and campaign for her.

Clinton got a highly visible job in the Obama administration (Secretary of State). I'm quite sure that Sanders doesn't want any job in the Clinton administration, so he has absolutely nothing to lose by using whatever leverage he can to get Clinton to agree in a very public and (as much as any campaign promise is) enforceable way to address one or two of his major issues.

Interesting hypothesis - Trump gets nominated and agrees to make one or two of Bernie's hot button issues a centerpiece in his first 100 days, and commits to it in a very public way....The Donald isn't exactly a prototypical career politician so he has very little to lose in taking a contrarian stance on certain issues (example - campaign reform).

Bernie isn't a prototypical Democrat either....imagine if Bernie threw his support behind the opposing party's candidate. I bet there is zero fucks given between Bernie and Hilliary.

Gonna be an interesting summer.
 
There would be a sad sort of ignorance tax on the Bernie supporters if they end up protesting Clinton in favor of Trump only to find a 7-2 conservative Supreme Court is the result. Bernie will be dead long before the true consequences of that decision become fully evident, but I'd suspect millions of progressives would rue the day they were young, stupid and gullable.
 
There would be a sad sort of ignorance tax on the Bernie supporters if they end up protesting Clinton in favor of Trump only to find a 7-2 conservative Supreme Court is the result. Bernie will be dead long before the true consequences of that decision become fully evident, but I'd suspect millions of progressives would rue the day they were young, stupid and gullable.

There a lot of Bernie supporters who are not progressives, however. I was on a Cape Air flight to upstate NY and everyone on the plane other than me(granted, there's were only 8 passengers) said they wanted to vote for Bernie or for Trump in the general. Not one of them voted for Obama, and you can be damned sure none of them will vote for Clinton.

Many of the people who were voting for Bernie (or would vote for him, if they couldn't vote in the Democratic primary in their state) were doing so because his "system is rigged" message resonated with them. Lots of them are anti-choice when it comes to abortion -- or don't really care much about that issue. Many of them would be horrified by the idea of a government-run health care system. Many of them really don't care about gay marriage or equal pay for women. Many of them don't have a progressive bone in their body. But the most important issue for them was a change in the way politics is run in this country.

If you want a change in how things are run and you can't vote for Bernie, who do you think you're going to vote for?

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not describing myself here -- but this does describe a lot of Bernie's supporters.
 

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