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Windwalker on Hustler Casino Live?!?!?!?!?!? (9 Viewers)

SpaceMonkey420 said:
Send me a PM ill be glad to help and you can come play in my weekly cash game anytime. It’s just north of you. Small town vibe, big players. Usually Friday nights mixed and Sundays hold em at noon with NFL, Ribs, and Chicken.
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I feel like understanding the technical aspects of the game will only screw me up. I think ignorance is my greatest asset. If I don’t know where I am at in a hand how can anyone else get a read on me……..
As for coming to your plo game, when I get to Cali I will definitely give u a ring.
 
Goldfish said:
I feel like understanding the technical aspects of the game will only screw me up. I think ignorance is my greatest asset. If I don’t know where I am at in a hand how can anyone else get a read on me……..
As for coming to your plo game, when I get to Cali I will definitely give u a ring.
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There's more than a kernel of truth to that. Thinking you know is way more dangerous than knowing you don't.
 
Goldfish said:
I feel like understanding the technical aspects of the game will only screw me up. I think ignorance is my greatest asset. If I don’t know where I am at in a hand how can anyone else get a read on me……..
As for coming to your plo game, when I get to Cali I will definitely give u a ring.
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My greatest asset in the game is the ability to identify and recruit players dumber than me. You don’t have to be great at the game… just less bad than the others at your table ;)
 
Eloe2000 said:
My greatest asset in the game is the ability to identify and recruit players dumber than me. You don’t have to be great at the game… just less bad than the others at your table ;)
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Kinda the same idea…..
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Senzrock said:
Not to get into the weeds, but this point here is basically what we are debating. If you think Andy's squeeze pre + flop check + turn bet = value "a lot more than bluffs," I think I (and hero in game) felt differently. When Andy doesn't Cbet flop there, but leads turn, I think he has less value than you might assume. I'm not being results oriented here, I just think his value bets flop almost all of the time out of position.
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Why not get into the weeds?

Is this just a general read or is it based on specific hands where he bets with hands that should be pot controlled? Because I’ve definitely seen him trap / and pot control with top pair in spots that seem appropriate. And checking here with KQ/KT would definitely be reasonable, as would trapping with KK.
 
Senzrock said:
Krish and I discussed the jam here and why, after reviewing the hand, we prefer a call to the jam,
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Krish didn't look like he loved his TT in early position against these opponents, but he liked them enough that he didn't want to fold them. When he announced the all-in, he moved his eyeballs (but not his head) to peripherally look at Andy. Almost like he wasn't threatened (or at least not as threatened) by Jarrett.

I assume you prefer the call because Krish left some equity on the table with his double gutter. But, if you could've asked him for his thoughts in the moment, I think he was happy to win that pot and be out of that uncomfortable situation.
 
Stufflymcstuff said:
Why not get into the weeds?

Is this just a general read or is it based on specific hands where he bets with hands that should be pot controlled? Because I’ve definitely seen him trap / and pot control with top pair in spots that seem appropriate. And checking here with KQ/KT would definitely be reasonable, as would trapping with KK.
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Simply put, if you count up the value hands he checks on that flop vs the hands that squeeze/miss that board, I think you will come to the conclusion that there are far fewer hands in the former vs the latter. Can Andy have a hand? Of course he can. Does he have a hand as played "often"? I don't think so. Poker is a game of incomplete information, so we always are just doing the best we can. In this situation, given the information that we had, I think we are often ahead when he bets this turn. We are also getting 3-to-1 on a call here, so I think folding is just out of the question. For me, the more interesting question is - do we call here and pick off his bluffs when the river is a blank or do we find ourselves over-folding the best hand when we call turn and fold to a huge river bet.
 
“if you count up the value hands he checks on that flop vs the hands that squeeze/miss that board, I think you will come to the conclusion that there are far fewer hands in the former vs the latter.”

Of course he has more misses, but value hands that he controlled on the flop are betting at a much much higher frequency.

Is this specific to Andy or a general observation?
 
Stufflymcstuff said:
“if you count up the value hands he checks on that flop vs the hands that squeeze/miss that board, I think you will come to the conclusion that there are far fewer hands in the former vs the latter.”

Of course he has more misses, but value hands that he controlled on the flop are betting at a much much higher frequency.

Is this specific to Andy or a general observation?
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Agreed that, if he does happen to have a value hand, he will be betting those at a higher frequency.

This analysis is based on (some) math (combo's of value hands vs bluffs as outlined) but takes into account Andy being a tight-aggressive villain who is capable of barraling turn/river in this specific spot if he perceives a weak villain.
 
If we’re worried about making slightly loose preflop limps because inexperience may result in questionable plays postflop we should be terrified about using population based reads on one of the games biggest winners to rationalize an extremely suboptimal shove.

And even if you’re right about Andy’s bet range he may adjust his call range because he has a similar read on krish after he checks the flop.

I guess I’d really just need more evidence to be convinced because from what I’ve seen it doesn’t seem to hold. And if you’re wrong the cost is way higher than you’ll benefit if right.
 
Stufflymcstuff said:
If we’re worried about making slightly loose preflop limps because inexperience may result in questionable plays postflop we should be terrified about using population based reads on one of the games biggest winners to rationalize an extremely suboptimal shove.

And even if you’re right about Andy’s bet range he may adjust his call range because he has a similar read on krish after he checks the flop.

I guess I’d really just need more evidence to be convinced because from what I’ve seen it doesn’t seem to hold. And if you’re wrong the cost is way higher than you’ll benefit if right.
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Side note. If your truly worried about loose limps in hold em you prob should not be playing that level. *Notice I said hold em not PLO. I don’t like promoting flatting multiple ways out of position for this horse in today’s game but maybe I need to go back and see this hand. You guys are deep on it. I like it that way.
 
I can't give any poker advice as I'm rubbish at the game but the only thing that I notice is that you weren't wearing your usual cap yet ran good. It will be interesting to see if you wear a hat next time and what your results will be :)
 
Bad board for 9's there. Not sure I like the C-bet out of position with two overs on the board.
 

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