Tourney T25 vs T100 for larger tourneys (1 Viewer)

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This is mostly theoretical, as I don't see myself ever running a tourney with 50 runners, but I've been thinking about it anyway. :)

I know a lot of tourneys seem to be going T100. I think I'm leaning that way, as game play, counting pots, etc. just seems easier without the T25's in play. Is there any advantage to doing a T25-based set for large tourneys?

Making allowance for max chips conceivable in play, assuming 50 players, 200 big blind starting stacks, 100 big blind add-on, 30% rebuys.

T25 base/T10000 stacks, 8/8/4/7, max chips in play at end of tourney is T900,000

Chip set:
T25 x 400
T100 x 400
T500 x 200
T1000 x 400 (50 for color-ups)
T5000 x 80
T25 x 20

1500 chips total.

Tourney will end with blinds around 20k/40k. Let's say 20 x T25000 (500k), and 80 x T5000 on the table.

T100 base/T40000 stacks, 10/4/7/6, max chips in play at end of tourney is T3,600,000

Chip set:
T100 x 500
T500 x 200
T1000 x 400
T5000 x 400
T25 x 144

1544 chips total.

Tourney will end with blinds around 75k/150k. You'd need 144 x T25,000 on the table.


Conclusion:

One could get by with a slightly fewer chips in a T25 set, but not enough to offset the gameplay advantages of T100.

Is my thinking off?
 
This is mostly theoretical, as I don't see myself ever running a tourney with 50 runners, but I've been thinking about it anyway. :)

I know a lot of tourneys seem to be going T100. I think I'm leaning that way, as game play, counting pots, etc. just seems easier without the T25's in play. Is there any advantage to doing a T25-based set for large tourneys?

Making allowance for max chips conceivable in play, assuming 50 players, 200 big blind starting stacks, 100 big blind add-on, 30% rebuys.

T25 base/T10000 stacks, 8/8/4/7, max chips in play at end of tourney is T900,000

Chip set:
T25 x 400
T100 x 400
T500 x 200
T1000 x 400 (50 for color-ups)
T5000 x 80
T25 x 20

1500 chips total.

Tourney will end with blinds around 20k/40k. Let's say 20 x T25000 (500k), and 80 x T5000 on the table.

T100 base/T40000 stacks, 10/4/7/6, max chips in play at end of tourney is T3,600,000

Chip set:
T100 x 500
T500 x 200
T1000 x 400
T5000 x 400
T25 x 144

1544 chips total.

Tourney will end with blinds around 75k/150k. You'd need 144 x T25,000 on the table.


Conclusion:

One could get by with a slightly fewer chips in a T25 set, but not enough to offset the gameplay advantages of T100.

Is my thinking off?
Sure... But I think starting with 40k stacks is a bit excessive. My personal take, but starting people deeper than 200bb is just wasting time. I do T100 and I start with 20k stacks at 100/100. Sometimes I start the ante right away, sometimes I repeat 100/100 with the ante.

I think it's much better to start prior shallower and increase the time for each level, or for each level past a certain point. This the amount of time can be adjusted to align with the 40k starting stack situation, but allowing longer levels throughout part of not the whole tourney.

Plus is 44 chips really going to break the bank?
 
Sure... But I think starting with 40k stacks is a bit excessive. My personal take, but starting people deeper than 200bb is just wasting time. I do T100 and I start with 20k stacks at 100/100. Sometimes I start the ante right away, sometimes I repeat 100/100 with the ante.

I think it's much better to start prior shallower and increase the time for each level, or for each level past a certain point. This the amount of time can be adjusted to align with the 40k starting stack situation, but allowing longer levels throughout part of not the whole tourney.

Plus is 44 chips really going to break the bank?
I was assuming 100/200, so 40k is 200bb. I could switch it to 25/25 with 5000 stacks, too.
 
We went with T100 because we could push off the color up to later into the structure vs a T25

We’ll never go back. Our standard is 50k starting and 100/200, 200/300, 200/400…
 
I like the structure for T100 better, I also don't like green chips in general (probably has something to do with my slight colorblindness) so not using T25 is an easy choice.
 
This is mostly theoretical, as I don't see myself ever running a tourney with 50 runners, but I've been thinking about it anyway. :)

I know a lot of tourneys seem to be going T100. I think I'm leaning that way, as game play, counting pots, etc. just seems easier without the T25's in play. Is there any advantage to doing a T25-based set for large tourneys?

Making allowance for max chips conceivable in play, assuming 50 players, 200 big blind starting stacks, 100 big blind add-on, 30% rebuys.

T25 base/T10000 stacks, 8/8/4/7, max chips in play at end of tourney is T900,000

Chip set:
T25 x 400
T100 x 400
T500 x 200
T1000 x 400 (50 for color-ups)
T5000 x 80
T25 x 20

1500 chips total.

Tourney will end with blinds around 20k/40k. Let's say 20 x T25000 (500k), and 80 x T5000 on the table.

T100 base/T40000 stacks, 10/4/7/6, max chips in play at end of tourney is T3,600,000

Chip set:
T100 x 500
T500 x 200
T1000 x 400 350
T5000 x 400 350
T25 x 144 80
T100k x 16
1544 1496 chips total.

Tourney will end with blinds around 75k/150k. You'd need 144 x T25,000 on the table.


Conclusion:

One could get by with a slightly fewer chips in a T25 set, but not enough to offset the gameplay advantages of T100.

Is my thinking off?

As far as I can tell they are basically the same in terms of how many chips you need... everything just shifts up 4x or 5x. T100 ftw!
 
I think both are fine. Off the top of my head, the only advantage to T25 is it’s easier to do an individual ante sooner - not that that’s something you’d want to do at any tournament (let alone a home tournament) now that the world is used to big blind ante.
And FWIW, most of the T100s I’ve played have started at 100/100.
 
I'm team T100 vs team T25 and the only person who could change my mind is @BGinGA
I think it entirely depends on a single discriminating factor: How awesome are your T25 chips?

Some sets, I wouldn't miss 'em at all. Others, it would be a chip crime to exclude them from play.

Choose accordingly. :)

For me, I'm jumping the broom and beating TDA and the Vegas casinos to the inflationary punch -- T500-base is the way of the future.
 
For me, I'm jumping the broom and beating TDA and the Vegas casinos to the inflationary punch -- T500-base is the way of the future.
Wouldn't that be just going back to a T5 base except with T10 and T50 chips? :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
Although, maybe this would be the set for a T2500 and T10000, but then we are still back at T5 based, just with two zeros added.:unsure:
 
Wouldn't that be just going back to a T5 base except with T10 and T50 chips? :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
Although, maybe this would be the set for a T2500 and T10000, but then we are still back at T5 based, just with two zeros added.:unsure:
Dunno, ask the WSOP folks. There was no good reason (at the time) to change from the Main Event's T10k starting stacks.
 
I've always been a 100/100 to start kinda guy. Reduces the amount you need and still gives you the same amount of play.

100/100
100/200
100/300
200/400

Untrue. With incremental jumps, you are losing a level of play.
 
I’m running a tournament on Super Bowl Sunday.
T100
50k starting stack
Hopefully it runs under 6 hours
2 tables of 8 players

Blinds
100-200
200-400
400-800
600-1200
800-1600
1000-2000
1500-3000
2000-4000
2500-3000
3000-6000
4000-8000
5000-10000
6000-12000
8000-16000
10000-20000
15000-30000
20000-40000
25000-50000

Hopefully it works out. It’s probably not the best structure. But it over ran it’s time last year and we didn’t finish until halftime. So I cut a few levels out. @BGinGA any suggestions?
 
Untrue. With incremental jumps, you are losing a level of play.
Where? I usually repeat 100/100 with an ante. So the only place this would happen I guess would be if I skip BB of 500. Which I usually do. And that's not really a big difference especially as you get later in the tourney. I don't need my home tournaments lasting forever.

Besides losing levels early is good IMO. Too many tournaments put an emphasis on early play for reasons I can't fathom. It's the least important time in a tournament if the goal is to maximize $/hr. If you just wanna have fun with friends and delay cash games even more, then sure, start people deep and use a slow structure.
 
50k starting stack
Hopefully it runs under 6 hours
2 tables of 8 players

@BGinGA any suggestions?
Drop the 100/200 level.
Add a 300/600 level.
Drop the 2500/5000 level.
Drop the 5000/10000 level.

125bb starting stacks, should finish no later than 20k/40k (15 levels). 20-minute levels = 5 hours plus breaks.
 
I think you need to put the levels into a BB perspective. Break down each level into BB/stack size.

Of course a 10k tournament with a 25/50 level is different than a 100/100 or 100/200 start, but it’s all relative

I’ve got 600 T25 in each of my sets, and frankly, they’re one of my favorite chips in the set, so I’ll always be team T25.
 
I think you need to put the levels into a BB perspective. Break down each level into BB/stack size.

Of course a 10k tournament with a 25/50 level is different than a 100/100 or 100/200 start, but it’s all relative

I’ve got 600 T25 in each of my sets, and frankly, they’re one of my favorite chips in the set, so I’ll always be team T25.
I'm the total opposite, I've got or had tournament sets where I didn't like the T25 at all but really liked the T100.
 
I do T100 mostly because I used to run bar poker and that's how we did it. Then when I finally got around to buying my own tourney set, casinos had started going to the T100 model. So it just worked out for me.

BBA is the biggest reason I think the T25 model had been mostly abandoned. You no longer need a small chip for individual antes any more.
 
T100. Color up later on into the tournament which gives more mileage for the base chip where T25 would be used around 5 levels and not be necessary after a 150/300 level. Plus it makes counting pots and stacks easier being rounded to the nearest hundred where it felt awkward having one denomination be a frac essentially having awkward bets end in 5. Feels better and more streamlined having it rounded to 100.

This is all without taking into account regular antes, though. Bigger fan of the BBA but I easily prefer no ante tourneys before the other two structures.
 
I just build this ten table x 10 player set of majestic stars to cover a t25 based tournament using a starting stack of 5000ncv with 1x rebuy,1xadd-on per player l, t25 is likely less efficient for chip count than t100 base

I could also run a t5 based tourney with ~2000ncv starting stacks and unlimited rebuys/+addon.

1 600
5 800
25 830
100 992
500 380
1,000 440
5,000 360
10,000 20
 

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