Rounders 2? (2 Viewers)

It should be a sitcom!

Some episode ideas…

-Mike was going to play at the judge's game, but the babysitter is hot!

-Worm gets a Christmas tree, and now he can't deal because his hands are covered with sap.

-Teddy overhears part of a conversation between Joey Knish and Grama, and mistakenly thinks they’re gay.

-On a very special episode, Teddy says a racism at the table, and Mike and Worm have to tell him it's not cool.
 
Who's house was Rooney breaking into then?
That's in Cameron's head too. It part of Ferris legend that Ferris can outwit Rooney and probably Cameron's own dislike of Rooney manifests itself in a vision about Rooney getting destroyed at the Bueller home.

I have always loved "Ferris Bueller's Day Off," but the movie totally makes more sense to me now by accepting that Ferris is a figment of Cameron's imagination. Everything they can cover in Chicago on about 5 hours time. And the
ferrari crash was only in his imagination, but inspires Cameron to address the issue with his father.
 
Nope, don't buy it, unless you are discounting everything and saying Cameron never left his bed.

I refuse to believe that the girl on the bus with the gummy bears wasn't real.
 
Nope, don't buy it, unless you are discounting everything and saying Cameron never left his bed.

I refuse to believe that the girl on the bus with the gummy bears wasn't real.
That is what I am saying, Cameron never left his bed. Further he is fantasizing about having a friend like Ferris that would call him and force him out of bed, because he knows he wouldn't do it himself.

Gummy bear girl is just Cameron's enjoyment of his Rooney suffering fantasy and how out of touch he is with the kids he is supposed to lead.
 
I know I'm in the minority. I thought Rounders was overrated.
"Rounders" is a very good poker/gambling movie to be sure. But in cinema terms, it's probably an average movie with an extraordinary cast.

"The Cincinnati Kid," however is criminally underrated as a poker movie.
 
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It starts with backstory of a young Teddy in the old country, learning how to make his way. After a run-in with a local gangster that controls the area, he ousts him and rises within the Russian mob.
Mike is now a poker legend, having bested all that have come before him, and many pros seek his advice and favor.
Worm is exiled to Cuba where he dreams of returning and taking over the titles and fame that Mike has achieved. He secretly works with Gramma to double-cross Michael (ahem, Mike). When Mike learns of this, he is heartbroken, but eventually agrees on a fishing trip with Worm in Lake Tahoe.
 
"Rounders" is a very good poker/gambling movie to be sure. But in cereal, it's probably an average movie with an extraordinary cast.

"The Cincinnati Kid," however is criminally underrated as a poker movie.

  • Going to the wallet to bring out enough cash to force a fold? Perhaps the most egregious disrespect of the rules of any Hollywood poker game - and I'm including cowboy string bets and the officer's game from Star Trek. Cincinnati Kid's writers hinged the whole movie on that violation.
  • The massively depressive ending (because of the table stakes violation). Few poker movies end on a happy note, but this one was just shit on shit, pushing Steve McQueen to gambling / and losing to a child. The final scene Christian gives the shattered man a hug and he places his hands on her to push her away. Presumably to eat a bullet or jump off a bridge.
  • Otherwise, not a bad poker movie, but not top notch (except for the cast).
 
"Table stakes" (not adding from one's pocket) is a fairly modern notion.

There is a reference to table stakes in one scene in a public room in "California Split" (1974) but players in the generation before mine (born in the 1950s and 60s) pretty consistently tell me they would get in pots where players would go into their wallets to raise or have to call.

(Maybe not for $5000.)
It really was the poker boom in the early oughts that made table stakes mainstream to a lot of players, especially those that have never played in public rooms.


Edit to add, even as recently as the 1990s, poker games portrayed in "Saved by the Bell" (Zach Morris is Trash) and "Family Matters" had players staking beyond what was on the table.

So this aspect of "The Cincinnati Kid" does strike me as plausible for games of that era. And remember "The Cincinnati Kid" is really set in the 1930s, about 30 years before it's release.

That said, I am forever annoyed that they announce "no string bets" at the start of the "big game" and then proceed to have several string bets.
 
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Back when “The Grand” came out I thought it was hilarious.

I used to watch that and Rounders pretty regularly when I was still surrounded by poker and gambling. Now neither one gets much play for me but they’re still nostalgic and important films, just not for their accuracy or poker content.

I’d watch Rounders 2 in whatever capacity it ends up being made but I would probably complain about it not being as good as the first one was (for me, in the time that it was released.)
 
I never heard of A Big Hand for the Little Lady. Unfortunately it does not appear on any of my streaming services. :(
 
OK, it took a little... no a lot of digging through the questionable corners of the internet, but I found A Big Hand for the Little Lady. @BGinGA nailed it - the best poker movie yet. I don't think I stopped grinning for the last half hour.

Now to run a virus checker. It can't be that complex to wipe viruses set to infect a machine that would watch a movie from 1966.
 
Mikey is working jobs to pay off the notes he has with other rounders after losing his roll to some GTO influencer that beat him in a series of heads up games a few years before the movie. His kids are living with their mom because he had to sell everything and is living in an old hotel off Fremont. He's lost his love of the game because the math guys have taken over and he figures the game has passed him by.

He gets a call from Knish that Worm was tossed off a building by some gangsters and goes back to NY for the funeral. H
e finds out Worm left some money (like $50k) for him when Petra sees him at the funeral and hands him an envelope. She tells him Worm left explicit instructions to use the money to get even with the kid that felted him.

All the games he used to play in have dried up after the cops closed the underground card rooms. But Knish takes him to a room that KGB still runs in the Bronx. Tedy is on oxygen and can barely stand on his own. He runs mostly 2/5 and 5/10 games in his little 4 table basement. He asks KGB if he wants to play, for old times sake, but Tedy laughs into a coughing fit. "I cyant remember vhat I shit for brikfast Mikey. But you play Sergey if you hyate your munney."

After Mikey loses half his roll to Sergey, he does some soul searching at Worm's grave. He has an argument with Worm's "ghost". Worm says Mike's been a lot of things in his life but never a pussy. Mike yells that he's lost everything, money, house, wife, family. He's just trying to figure out how to live a normal happy life. Worm says that if that's true he'd be yelling at Petrovsky's ghost instead of him.

Just then Mike's phone rings. It's his son asking when he's coming home. At Newark airport, Mike's waiting for his plane and sees one of the guys from KGBs playing poker on his phone. They chat and he finds out the guys is on his way to the WSOP.

Mike shows up at the Horseshoe and
buys into the heads up tourney. During the tourney all his old skills come back to him and he works his way through some other old timers and GTO guys, beats Sergey in the quarter finals and then he gets to the semis against the influencer guy that felted him years earlier.

After a long and dramatic battle he wins. Slow zoom on Mike as the reality sets in, "He had all the charts, matchups and ranges figured out. But he'd ultimately lost out of either hubris or boredom. But now I had the advantage, the drive to win. And when I have that, I can only get what I want. Now I want that fucking bracelet."

Roll credits
Notes? You mean loans?
 
What can they do?

A prequel setting up backstories, like the Han Solo movie?

A sequel with Mike's Vegas run or Worm dipping out?

Both options seem meh at best. Just leave it alone, so we don't have to deny it's existence.
A prequel would be sweet but you'd need different actors, and that would ruin it for me. De-aging is also a strong no. I'd be up for a sequel no matter the story. It will either be good or bad, no skin off my back.
 
A prequel would be sweet but you'd need different actors, and that would ruin it for me. De-aging is also a strong no. I'd be up for a sequel no matter the story. It will either be good or bad, no skin off my back.
A prequel wouldn't center around poker, IMO.

Rounders was the right time in all of the characters' stories to center around poker...
 
I get a lot of Godfather cues from the original, so maybe go that way for the sequel:

Intertwine Michael's origin stories as a teen with worm, with present period in which Mike has married Petra and is running an underground cardroom (in Vegas? NYC?). Some beef with KGB's competing rooms, Mike develops from running a mildly dodgy card room into other areas of KGB turf, debt collection etc. Petra is suspiciously killed so Mike can go full steam. Somehow the veneer of legitimacy results in the showdowns to try to bankrupt each other being at poker games, kind of like Casino Royale but done properly.

I think this way they get to be pretty old and avoid online poker.
 
I'm guessing, if it happens and I don't think it will, it will be with Matt as old school and some youngster as gto wiz. Maybe teddy will be worm here, losing his customers to some other club who want to play the kid at nose bleed stakes and he wants Matt to crush him so people comes to his club to play Matt. It must be Matt since the kid only plays plo and teddy never bothered to learn it. Teddy will stake an unknowing Matt with mafia money and Matt gets felted the first time and now teddy is in trouble as he can't pay.
 

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