All In Home Game Dilemma (2 Viewers)

[Aray12]

I think in a friendly game I’m going to stick with 55

 

[CrazyEddie]

In a casino, when you call an all-in you're on the hook for whatever the bettor had in front of them, even if you asked for an exact count from the dealer and the dealer's exact count was wrong.

Worth pointing out that this principle is known as "Accepted Action" and it has been controversial in the past. TDA rules include it but there was heavy discussion about it in 2012. Most poker rooms use it, but not all.

 

[upNdown]

Worth pointing out that this principle is known as "Accepted Action" and it has been controversial in the past. TDA rules include it but there was heavy discussion about it in 2012. Most poker rooms use it, but not all.

Right. And I’ve just always accepted that that’s the rule. So, knowing I’m on the hook even if a dealer screws up an exact count, it’s not a difficult leap for me to accept that I’m on the hook when the player screws up an approximation. I just know that when I say “call” I’m responsible for that stack.

 

[Machine]

This is really a holdem dilemma, PLO players would never call, we only RE-POT so all the chips are going in on the turn anyway!

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Right. And when somebody says “like $55,” you haven’t gotten a count.
It seems like neither of us would be in this situation, because we’d either give an exact count or ask for an exact count, or both. But when you say

that’s just putting everybody in an awkward position. I think if I were the host, I’d have to give that guy a warning, and ask you to cash out and not come back. Or, maybe I’d pay the extra $18 out of my stack for being a shitty host, I don’t know. But that “I’m not paying” just can’t happen in a poker game.

I've had similar discussions with others on here regarding proper play at the table. And I usually preface my comments by stating that I have very little casino experience, and not that much more private game experience. So while I'm mostly here to learn, I also feel that I have a lot of common sense, integrity and sense of fairness. I do not like people who are shady, angle shooting, or just plain dishonest. Asking for a count a getting a count to me is a matter of integrity. You stand by your word. Many of you seem focused on the word "like" in front of $55. Again, I'm old, so to me like doesn't mean about. It's just slang, the casual way some people talk. It comes from way back in the 60s where kids would say "like groovy man" and other similar expressions. That means groovy man, not about groovy man. Like is just superfluous. It would never occur to me that it means plus or minus $20 at the poker table. So as I stated before, to me a count was asked for and given. OP did state that his stacks were haphazard, so possibly some of his big chips were hidden from view, which I believe @CrazyEddie here also stated could result in the full amount of the all-in not being recognized. It's simply a matter of fairness. Whether intentional or not, the all-in better deceived the caller, and I simply don't feel that deception ought to be rewarded.

 

[AlwaysDefend]

It's the person with the decision's responsibility to get an accurate chip count before making the call. Full amount to be paid in due with an apology for the misunderstanding.

 

[umbkcshah]

In a friendly home game, it's up to the players to take self-responsibility as well as the host be more proactive.

If giving a quick count, it's usually a rough estimate (some light counting), just not breaking down every stack, so I would say up to a 10% error is reasonable.

Should All-In have given an exact count? Yes.
Should Caller have requested an exact count? Yes.
Everyone shares blame and find the reasonable middle in this situation - again if a friendly home game. If in the casino or paying a rake, letter of the law applies. That solution seems action offered 'Like $55" and action accepted 'Like $55" Finally counting properly and expecting nearly an additional buy-in is BS in a friendly home game. "Like" for me is up to $5, but not worth making the atmosphere tense.