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Stories of Scams on PCF? (2 Viewers)

sheikh617 said:
Karma is quite the animal though.
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I see the use of karma thrown around almost as much as the word pron around here. I had no idea so many people were Buddhist. For those of you who practice Buddhism, I'm curious if you are able to know what life you are currently on and the effects of karma from the previous life. I'm seriously interested.
 
A super nice user who will remain nameless sent me $8 more than he was supposed to recently, and asked me not to be mad. Now I have to explain how 800 extra American cents just came out of nowhere. I wasn’t going to call him out, but if he happens to read this, he'll know I can't let this go unnoticed. :LOL: :laugh:

Consider this a warning, and be prepared for random TRK payback mail. :cautious:
 
Mattsme said:
A super nice user who will remain nameless sent me $8 more than he was supposed to recently, and asked me not to be mad. Now I have to explain how 800 extra American cents just came out of nowhere. I wasn’t going to call him out, but if he happens to read this, he'll know I can't let this go unnoticed. :LOL: :laugh:

Consider this a warning, and be prepared for random TRK payback mail. :cautious:
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This is the outrageous stuff I have encountered on PCF. What is wrong with people! You might have to call them out in the PCF appreciation thread so they get what they deserve for this madness!
 
toynoob said:
This is the outrageous stuff I have encountered on PCF. What is wrong with people! You might have to call them out in the PCF appreciation thread so they get what they deserve for this madness!
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--------E

We are ready....
 
toynoob said:
You have his name and address correct? I'd file a police report with William from Reno police department. :sneaky:
If not share is address so we can all buy glitter bombs for him.
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Here is a bit of advice that may help members who are viewing this thread.

First of all, if you don't know the person you are dealing with as either a Buyer or Seller, use PayPal Goods and Services at a minimum. At least you have a chance of getting restitution. PayPal F+F is the equivalent of giving cash to a guy you just met on the street for something to be delivered by another dude tomorrow. I've done that for @navels , but we both knew the risks that were involved (e.g., me dead in a gutter). If the Buyer/Seller isn't your friend, they haven't earned the trust involved with F+F.

People often think that as a Seller they are safe using F+F, since they physically see the money in their PayPal account before they ship. However, that is NOT the case. If you accept PayPal F+F as payment you should also trust the person implicitly. PayPal has a glaring loophole where a person can pay via F+F using a credit card, the funds can be fully received by the seller, and then the buyer can file a claim with their credit card company at a later date claiming fraud. A Seller can't see the manner of payment from a Buyer (i.e., Credit Card vs. Bank Account), and PayPal will 100% side with the BUYER and take the money back from the Seller to reverse the deal if a fraud claim with a credit card is submitted. They will NOT help the Seller to get anything from the Buyer, and will 100% return the money even though chips were received. What's really evil is that the period that someone has to file a credit card claim varies based on their credit card provider, so you aren't safe until several months have passed. That's a potential scam just waiting to happen to someone, so I'm publicizing it here to hopefully save someone a huge heartbreak by using PayPal in the incorrect manner.

Also important is to always protect packages against loss/theft/damage, if you cannot afford to lose them. Clearly specify where property ownership transfers in a deal (i.e., at your post office once you have a tracking number vs. chips fully delivered in the hands of the Buyer). Only the Seller can physically insure a package, but the Buyer should be offered the opportunity to pay to add insurance (or alternatively to assume the risk once a tracking number is obtained). Don't be afraid to file a mail fraud claim. Your taxes are paying for the USPS folks who do that work, and a potential felony charge is a big stick to scare someone into action.

If you do insure a package, make sure you save the receipt and document the contents and value. I sold some Harrah's $1s to @SkywayParkFR . The chips made it to France, but then went missing. Without the receipt, I would have been toast. I fortunately saved the receipt, and was able to file a claim with USPS using a printout of the PCF sales screen as declaration of value. Surprisingly, the claim got paid and I was able to refund the entire amount to Thomas.

Those Harrah's $1 chips were actually purchased from a scammer named drumhoss who took money from several PCFers to harvest chips in Vegas. He accepted money in advance (anecdotally, a lot of it via F+F), and then gambled much of it away. I got lucky twice on those chips both by being one of the first to deal with him (via G+S) and receive chips + having international insurance work smoothly.

The feedback system on PCF isn't foolproof, but it's a good start to gauge someone's trustworthiness. Feel free to ask others who may know the person whom you are dealing. Many of us PCFers have done in-person transactions on behalf of other members, taking delivery of the chips locally in person, and then sending them to the buyer. If you aren't sure, it's always better to pay a little extra to protect yourself and your chips.

Hopefully these tips and stories help somebody in the future. Always practice safe chipping!
 
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The best way to mitigate a gambling problem is by getting into harvesting chips! Ya know so you spend loads of time in casinos. Works awesome.
 
inca911 said:
Here is a bit of unsolicited advice that may help members who are viewing this thread.

First of all, if you don't know the person you are dealing with as either a Buyer or Seller, use PayPal Goods and Services at a minimum. At least you have a chance of getting restitution. PayPal F+F is the equivalent of giving cash to a guy you just met on the street for something to be delivered by another dude tomorrow. I've done that for @navels , but we both knew the risks that were involved (e.g., me dead in a gutter). If the Buyer/Seller isn't your friend, they haven't earned the trust involved with F+F.

People often think that as a Seller they are safe using F+F, since they physically see the money in their PayPal account before they ship. However, that is NOT the case. If you accept PayPal F+F as payment you should also trust the person implicitly. PayPal has a glaring loophole where a person can pay via F+F using a credit card, the funds can be fully received by the seller, and then the buyer can file a claim with their credit card company at a later date claiming fraud. A Seller can't see the manner of payment from a Buyer (i.e., Credit Card vs. Bank Account), and PayPal will 100% side with the BUYER and take the money back from the Seller to reverse the deal if a fraud claim with a credit card is submitted. They will NOT help the Seller to get anything from the Buyer, and will 100% return the money even though chips were received. What's really evil is that the period that someone has to file a credit card claim varies based on their credit card provider, so you aren't safe until several months have passed. That's a potential scam just waiting to happen to someone, so I'm publicizing it here to hopefully save someone a huge heartbreak by using PayPal in the incorrect manner.

Also important is to always protect packages against loss/theft/damage, if you cannot afford to lose them. Clearly specify where property ownership transfers in a deal (i.e., at your post office once you have a tracking number vs. chips fully delivered in the hands of the Buyer). Only the Seller can physically insure a package, but the Buyer should be offered the opportunity to pay to add insurance (or alternatively to assume the risk once a tracking number is obtained). Don't be afraid to file a mail fraud claim. Your taxes are paying for the USPS folks who do that work, and a potential felony charge is a big stick to scare someone into action.

If you do insure a package, make sure you save the receipt and document the contents and value. I sold some Harrah's $1s to @SkywayParkFR . The chips made it to France, but then went missing. Without the receipt, I would have been toast. I fortunately saved the receipt, and was able to file a claim with USPS using a printout of the PCF sales screen as declaration of value. Surprisingly, the claim got paid and I was able to refund the entire amount to Thomas.

Those Harrah's $1 chips were actually purchased from a scammer named drumhoss who took money from several PCFers to harvest chips in Vegas. He accepted money in advance to harvest for members (anecdotally, a lot of it via F+F), and then gambled much of it away. I got lucky twice on those chips both by being one of the first to deal with him (via G+S) and receive chips + having international insurance work smoothly.

The feedback system on PCF isn't foolproof, but it's a good start to gauge someone's trustworthiness. Feel free to ask others who may know the person whom you are dealing. Many of us PCFers have done in-person transactions on behalf of other members, taking delivery of the chips locally in person, and then sending them to the buyer. If you aren't sure, it's always better to pay a little extra to protect yourself and your chips.

Hopefully these tips and stories help somebody in the future. Always practice safe chipping!
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This is excellent advice. I'll add a corollary to this in saying that I wouldn't pay anything via PayPal F+F that I wouldn't mind losing. For any big transaction, I am going to insist on PayPal G+S in the future. I have no problem paying the extra 3 to 4% to get the deal across the line for the peace of mind in case anything goes wrong.

I personally have no problem using PayPal F+F as a buyer as long as feedback checks out, but as a seller, I have absolutely no problem with a buyer paying G+S should they request it. It feels like "scams" or otherwise problems with shipping have been more and more common lately.
 
inca911 said:
Those Harrah's $1 chips were actually purchased from a scammer named drumhoss who took money from several PCFers to harvest chips in Vegas. He accepted money in advance to harvest for members (anecdotally, a lot of it via F+F), and then gambled much of it away. I got lucky twice on those chips both by being one of the first to deal with him (via G+S) and receive chips + having international insurance work smoothly.
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I'd almost (...almost) forgotten that thieving a-holes' name. :mad:
 
This forum has scammed me out of literally THOUSANDS of dollars!!!

I came on here some two years ago looking for advice on upgrading my dice chips... next thing I know, I'm buying countless numbers of $0 cash value "collectible" poker chips for outrageous amounts of money.

I tried taking them to my local pawn stores and auctions places to re-sell when I needed some quick cash, but the owners all told me apparently only idiots pay that much for poker chips! :eek:

I feel like such a donkey mule. :(
 
Davism72 said:
Damn it, it was the Reno guy? But I liked him on principle! The fucker.
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Right! And I had reached out to someone he sold to previously and he gave great feedback! I think he was hurting for money and took advantage of opportunity...
 
Josh Kifer said:
*Unclicking my pen and looking around innocently*
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I wonder if that works at taco bell? Like you order 100 tacos and 20 quesadillas and then 2 weeks later claim someone stole your credit card???
 
FordPickup92 said:
I wonder if that works at taco bell? Like you order 100 tacos and 20 quesadillas and then 2 weeks later claim someone stole your credit card???
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I NEED THIS INJUSTICE FIXED *chewing in background of phone* I DONT EVEN LIKE TACOS *sound of teeth going thru hardshell*
 

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