Not Mine A bunch of CPC customs (3 Viewers)

[jpietrella]

So you were the one who out bid me!! Interested in selling any?

None of them were ever for sale.

 

[David Spragg]

So you were the one who out bid me!! Interested in selling any?

So you went ahead and bid on them knowing full well they were stolen property?

 

[jpietrella]

So you went ahead and bid on them knowing full well they were stolen property?

David, come on. I'm 100% sure he's kidding.

 

[Coyote]

David must have had a rough week and I, in his shoes, might have lost my British sense of humour.

 

[jpietrella]

Genuinely interested in seeing if this thread reaches 30 pages or gets shut down by mods first.

 

[David Spragg]

David, come on. I'm 100% sure he's kidding.

I might be also.
Smiley button on my phone broke a while ago.

 

[PlayerADK]

So you went ahead and bid on them knowing full well they were stolen property?

I feel like this adds to their value??



E/ knowing David won I feel a little better making the joke, still hope you get refunded somehow as well!

 

[navels]

I might be also.
Smiley button on my phone broke a while ago.

Might be an issue with copy/paste, too

All kidding aside, very glad the chips are headed back to you.

 

[Rakrul]

I wonder if David told the seller to ship them to his address that's still on the box the seller bought them in.

 

[David Spragg]

I wonder if David told the seller to ship them to his address that's still on the box the seller bought them in.

Lol

 

[raynmanas]

To save 50 people asking the question, as I had not heard back from LE I won the auction.

the brute force method, i like it.

 

[Davism72]

Lol

First time I thought you didn't want to fight everyone in this thread.

 

[BamaT8ter]

Dibs on the big red tray if split.

 

[Taghkanic]

The End(s)

 

[DuffCal]

I see @DuffCal custom as well.

Bummer... but sounds like @David Spragg was able to make the situation right by winning the auction. He is a great guy to work with and he works very hard so it doesn't surprise me that he paid to win the auction to keep everyone's chips safe. Thanks for the hard work @David Spragg

 

[BearMetal]

I just saw this thread this morning.

Full disclosure: I was really hoping to not see one of my chips in there for obvious reasons... but when I didn't find one of mine, the sad truth hit me that it's most likely because they're not made yet ... come on CPC - give me a good birthday gift! You've got 5 weeks!

Gotta say that it's awesome that David responded to this post and communicated what happened with us. Vendors here are just the best!

 

[Machine]

Finding out these were stolen eases the mind - means this wasn't an inside job.

This might be an unpopular opinion but if it were my customs I'd still be pissed that these even exist. As others have pointed out, security is part of the reason for paying the premium price for customs. These chips wouldn't be out there if they didn't exist.

If I was a proprietor in making custom chips, I would have a sample set of all that I make for multiple reasons, none include I'm a sneaky American or have ill intentions.

There is a security aspect, as well as a quality aspect, a communication aspect.

Documentation can only get you so far, samples can make sure future orders are right, also material / warranty reasons.

CPC making / keeping versions is a good thing for the community.

I too just found this thread after Bear

 

[TheDuke]

If I was a proprietor in making custom chips, I would have a sample set of all that I make for multiple reasons, none include I'm a sneaky American or have ill intentions.

There is a security aspect, as well as a quality aspect, a communication aspect.

Documentation can only get you so far, samples can make sure future orders are right, also material / warranty reasons.

CPC making / keeping versions is a good thing for the community.

Zero reason to continue to speculate on reasons why CPC has samples.

The owner already advised that it's done to comply with gaming regulations.

You're quoting a post that was made before that info was provided.

 

[Machine]

I wasn't speculating, those are all reasons / aspects I would incorporate samples into my process / business.

I understand, I wasn't 'calling you out', I thought it was an interesting aspect to the conversation, regardless of regulations. Mia copula if you felt it was ad hominin.

 

[JWC]

Zero reason to continue to speculate on reasons why CPC has samples.

The owner already advised that it's done to comply with gaming regulations.

You're quoting a post that was made before that info was provided.

Agreed - keeping samples makes sense.

However, for the sake of everyone, cancel the samples (drill, notch, etc.). IIRC elsewhere in the thread it is mentioned that it is done for Nevada, and I know that Paulson, ASM, and others cancelled their retained samples.

The question shouldn’t be why do they keep samples, but why to they keep live samples? The whole point of this thread is that even with the best of intentions, and commercially reasonable practices, live samples can escape the control of the manufacturer.

Imagine how different this entire thread would have gone if they pictures showed canceled chips.

Finally, if I were the manufacturer, whose private business practices became public due to this incident, I would issue a statement showing that I cancelled all samples on hand, and that I would continue to do that going forward.

 

[facinfears217]

Agreed - keeping samples makes sense.

However, for the sake of everyone, cancel the samples (drill, notch, etc.). IIRC elsewhere in the thread it is mentioned that it is done for Nevada, and I know that Paulson, ASM, and others cancelled their retained samples.

The question shouldn’t be why do they keep samples, but why to they keep live samples? The whole point of this thread is that even with the best of intentions, and commercially reasonable practices, live samples can escape the control of the manufacturer.

Imagine how different this entire thread would have gone if they pictures showed canceled chips.

Finally, if I were the manufacturer, whose private business practices became public due to this incident, I would issue a statement showing that I cancelled all samples on hand, and that I would continue to do that going forward.

i agree easy to drill a small hole in them and store them. no need for live samples. reason we use cpc is for security!!! lot of people have players they no nothing about at there games. this way chips arnt being brought in from eBay,amazon, or online!!

 

[Rakrul]

Are people here really concerned that their samples does not have a hole in them? It's one chip of each, and it's not like these packages go missing every week. So first someone has to steal the package, then sell them to someone in your game.

This is seriously a concern?

 

[JeepologyOffroad]

Depends on the stakes and game I’m sure

 

[Quicksilver-75]

Personally, I’d be more heart broken if I saw a sample of my chips with holes drilled in them.

 

[JWC]

Are people here really concerned that their samples does not have a hole in them?

- Yes

It's one chip of each, and it's not like these packages go missing every week.

- Agreed.

So first someone has to steal the package, then sell them to someone in your game.

- Agreed, not likely to happen.

This is seriously a concern?

- Yes, from a process standpoint, this is a miss, irrespective of whether or not the chips get into your game. However, I believe that it was stated that Paulson does this for all customers, and this is done for Nevada customers. Either a company believes in consistent processes for security, or they don’t. As someone in a related business, I find this to be a big miss.

 

[Machine]

This is seriously a concern?

- Yes, from a process standpoint, this is a miss, irrespective of whether or not the chips get into your game. However, I believe that it was stated that Paulson does this for all customers, and this is done for Nevada customers. Either a company believes in consistent processes for security, or they don’t. As someone in a related business, I find this to be a big miss.

I don't think that we know the complete circumstances and I don't think that we should discuss (specific) IP / business processes, as there are other security concerns around that.

I will say that the whole way this played out is kinda epic, and that I don't think anyone should be embarrassed or ostracized for being a victim. Not only were they a victim once, but also continuing to do the right thing at great cost to themselves. I hope they get justice, and I can't imagine the community coming together to provide relief in one thread and then being overly critical in another.

 

[jpietrella]

, and I can't imagine the community coming together to provide relief in one thread and then being overly critical in another.

Have you been to PCF before?

 

[facinfears217]

Are people here really concerned that their samples does not have a hole in them? It's one chip of each, and it's not like these packages go missing every week. So first someone has to steal the package, then sell them to someone in your game.

This is seriously a concern?

Yea! Let’s take legold for example!
Those images I have never seen (I don’t watch custom section real close but now his designs are out there and it wasn’t his .50cent and $1 chips.

but let’s take the $500chip or even a $100 you could make a Chip exactly like one of the ones posted that wasn’t suppose to make it out but did, let’s say it’s a big home game or large room! Now we have to order new $100 and $500 due to security being Compromised!! Doesn’t matter if the situation was corrected or wasn’t !!!!! Knowing chips are stored live makes me feel less secure ! Lots of you use cpc for fun chips for fun home games and just to make new ones! We use them for a weekend we’re we have up to 100,000 in chips on table!!! Cpc is the only option for clay to us as Paulson won’t sell to us without a gaming license!! We can’t use chiproom chips or roulettes/molds relabled!

Working at a place that has high limit 10-20 nl and 25-50limit High denomins have to be secure!!!! We can’t have 1 slip out of a room and pictures on eBay! Not only that but now whoever got a hold of these odds are they will do it again after cashing in on $800 score! They know address we’re these were shipped out of and we’re they was going!!! This seems to be an issue as well for us now also!

 

[David Spragg]

Yea! Let’s take legold for example!
Those images I have never seen (I don’t watch custom section real close but now his designs are out there and it wasn’t his .50cent and $1 chips.

but let’s take the $500chip or even a $100 you could make a Chip exactly like one of the ones posted that wasn’t suppose to make it out but did, let’s say it’s a big home game or large room! Now we have to order new $100 and $500 due to security being Compromised!! Doesn’t matter if the situation was corrected or wasn’t !!!!! Knowing chips are stored live makes me feel less secure ! Lots of you use cpc for fun chips for fun home games and just to make new ones! We use them for a weekend we’re we have up to 100,000 in chips on table!!! Cpc is the only option for clay to us as Paulson won’t sell to us without a gaming license!! We can’t use chiproom chips or roulettes/molds relabled!

Working at a place that has high limit 10-20 nl and 25-50limit High denomins have to be secure!!!! We can’t have 1 slip out of a room and pictures on eBay! Not only that but now whoever got a hold of these odds are they will do it again after cashing in on $800 score! They know address we’re these were shipped out of and we’re they was going!!! This seems to be an issue as well for us now also!

Explain how a chip "exactly like one of the ones posted" can be made?

 

[jpietrella]

Explain how a chip "exactly like one of the ones posted" can be made?