ASM Rounders Question (1 Viewer)

[jsta281]

Hello, first post on this forum. I have a couple of questions that may seem foolish. I am not a complete chip Noob, I have about a 1000 chip set for china clay Pharaohs. Very happy with them for what they are and what I paid. I don't have any other chip sets. I'm considering a 2nd set of ASM chips, and because I am not creative enough to come up with my own custom design I am looking at a Rounders set.

My first question is a general question about ASM chips. I am familiar Paulson (I wish I had a Paulson Pharaoh set but that ship has sailed) from reading about them and then recognizing the top hat and cane mold on chips played in various casinos. Obviously they are considered by many as the gold standard. Are the ASM chips on par with Paulson? I know everyone has an opinion on the matter, but in more quantifiable "testing" are the weight and uniformity and stack ability equal? Rather then ask which is "better" for those who have/had both what are the primary differences?


2. This is more of a trivia question, I have seen pictures of the ASM roman mold movie chips that people have collected that are presumably actual chips from the movie. When I watch the movie I only see Green $25, Black $100 and purple gold $500. So how do we know what color combo the other denominations were/are?

3. Am I correct in assuming that the actual movie set did not have $1000 or $5000 denomination chips? What are the most common/popular color combo's for those chips when people make there own custom/fantasy chips? And what about .25 chips what is a common/popular color combo for those chips?

4. Do I understand correctly that at one point ASM made and sold Rounders replicas on the roman mold, but then distinguished them from the actual chips by printing the value of the chip in black instead of red as in the movie?

5. Do I understand that ASM no longer offers the roman mold which is why people making there own Rounders fantasy chips are going with the scroll / CSQ / MD-50 Mold?

6. I know there have been group buys for Rounders chips (apparently I just missed one a few months ago). When purchased with a group buy what does the price per chip work out to be?

 

[k9dr]

Welcome to PCF

1) No real quantifiable difference to me - just subtle differences in feel
2) No higher denoms were produced for the movie AFAIK
3) http://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/rounders-t25k-heads-up-set.5386/
4) The bear is brown instead of black too
5) The Roman mold is out of commission
6) Variable - depends on the mold and spot pattern chosen

 

[bogart]

Here is an example of the group buy I was involved with quite a few years ago. We managed to get the Roman mold, but had to change the colour of the bear and denom. The other is of the actual movie prop chip, my ASM and my TR King.

 

[jsta281]

Welcome to PCF

1) No real quantifiable difference to me - just subtle differences in feel
2) No higher denoms were produced for the movie AFAIK
3) http://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/rounders-t25k-heads-up-set.5386/
4) The bear is brown instead of black too
5) The Roman mold is out of commission
6) Variable - depends on the mold and spot pattern chosen

What about the white and pink $1 and red and gold $5? I have seen people post that they collected real movie chips in these denoms? Where these made as part of the set even if they did not make the screen?

I really like the chip design of the larger denoms in your link, I think I would copy that.

 

[jsta281]

Here is an example of the group buy I was involved with quite a few years ago. We managed to get the Roman mold, but had to change the colour of the bear and denom. The other is of the actual movie prop chip, my ASM and my TR King.

So did they make the white and pink $1 and red and gold $5 for the movie? I understand TRK is out of business. Chip people of the TRK I have never played with them before.

 

[hod]

I've also been going through all the old rounders GB threads here and big blue. I had a small tournament set on the Horsehead mold years back that I sold on. Like all my sets, real sellers remorse and I've since been looking at doing a custom set with a beagle as opposed to a bear.

 

[stocky]

So did they make the white and pink $1 and red and gold $5 for the movie? I understand TRK is out of business. Chip people of the TRK I have never played with them before.

Yes they did, I believe they were to be used on the other tables in the movie.

 

[bogart]

I love TRK chips!! The TRK Rounders are now going for about $3/ chip.
I think the CPC Rounders on the CSQ mold are great(you can use the black bear and red denom!)

 

[RainmanTrail]

You could do something like I'm doing, which is to use the original chips from the movie, and make customs of the others. Here's a thread of what I mocked up. I'm also offering sample sets from it if you'd like one (they won't be ready for another 4-5 months though).

http://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/rounders-chips-on-csq-rainman-style-sorta.9933/

I have some of the original chips from the movie, and I actually just happened to get my first delivery of the Rounders CSQ chips in the mail today from CPC! I'll post some pics in a bit with the original chips and the CSQs side by side. I'm studying for my midterm right now...

 

[BGinGA]

Are the ASM chips on par with Paulson?

Yes. They are not the same, obviously, but in overall terms of quality of manufacturing, I would say yes. It is noteworthy to mention that both ASM/CPC and Paulson chips come in many different configurations (different mold designs, different colors and subsequently slightly different material compositions, and different inlay sizes and textures) -- all of which affect the final product(s) of both companies.

I know everyone has an opinion on the matter, but in more quantifiable "testing" are the weight and uniformity and stack ability equal?

In general, ASM/CPC chips are lighter than Paulson chips (and Paulson TH&C mold chips are typically heavier than those produced on the RHC mold).

Uniformity varies more with ASM/CPC than Paulson (and is highly dependent upon mold and color choices), typically in terms of minor thickness variation.

I would rate both at near equal status regarding stack ability, with a slight nod to Paulson TH&C chips (also dependent upon which ASM/CPC mold is being compared). Inlay size and texture will also have an effect on feel, sound, and chip-to-chip friction, affecting shuffle and stack ability (true for all chips, regardless of manufacturer).

Rather then ask which is "better" for those who have/had both what are the primary differences?

See above for several differences, although as noted, each ASM/CPC mold type and inlay size creates slightly different look/feel/sound characteristics (and the same is true for Paulson chips).

In general, the ASM/CPC material is slightly harder than the softer Paulson mix, and ASM/CPC uses brass flakes to add weight in many colors. Paulson uses a different compound for weight (they previously used lead, which was phased out in the early-to-mid 2000's). Older heavyweight leaded Paulson chips are a bit softer than current issues, and are generally considered by many to be the 'gold standard' to which you refer.

I'm considering a 2nd set of ASM chips, and because I am not creative enough to come up with my own custom design I am looking at a Rounders set.

If that is the case, you might also consider the Key West chips, a very nice and affordable classic design produced by ASM/CPC on the H-mold. Many stock denominations are offered, ranging from 5c through $25,000. Here is the link:
http://www.keywestresortcasino.com/buy-casino-chips-racks--storage.html

 

[weorderedbacon]

Here is an example of the group buy I was involved with quite a few years ago. We managed to get the Roman mold, but had to change the colour of the bear and denom. The other is of the actual movie prop chip, my ASM and my TR King.

Omggg where did you ordered it from ?

 

[allforcharity]

Omggg where did you ordered it from ?

Rounders replicas can be ordered from classicpokerchips.com

 

[weorderedbacon]

sorry forgot to mention, I’m specifically looking for those with Roman edge pattern, see if you guys could help

 

[Josh Kifer]

 

[allforcharity]

sorry forgot to mention, I’m specifically looking for those with Roman edge pattern, see if you guys could help

Best of luck. I seem to remember hearing that there are only about 30 promotional sets that exist, and they each come with a COA. You'll have to track down an owner and be prepared to offer whatever they might want.

CPC is forbidden under contract to reproduce these on the Roman mold again.

 

[JeepologyOffroad]

Best of luck. I seem to remember hearing that there are only about 30 promotional sets that exist, and they each come with a COA. You'll have to track down an owner and be prepared to offer whatever they might want.

CPC is forbidden under contract to reproduce these on the Roman mold again.

Plus I think the Roman mold is damaged anyways

 

[weorderedbacon]

Thanks everyone ! Deeply Appreciated !

 

[weorderedbacon]

Im wondering where did Adam’s Savage ordered from ?

 

[Gear]

Im wondering where did Adam’s Savage ordered from ?

Did you even watch the video?

 

[CrazyEddie]

I was going to reply to the OP, but then wondered what he was talking about when he mentioned the group buy "a few months ago" and then realized this thread is five years old.

For @weorderedbacon and any other new members coming across this thread, here's some more recent info about Rounders chips:

Atlantic Standard Molding made the actual prop chips used in Rounders for the Chesterfield Club and for KGB's club (chips used in other scenes were various generic chips already available on the open market). Adam Savage's replicas were made by ASM; I recall reading somewhere that the person he talked to to have them made was a reseller or distributor of some sort rather than working directly with ASM, but I can't say that for certain. As shown in the video, Adam's chips have the bear pointing in the wrong direction.

Adam was not the only person to get Rounders replicas from ASM. For example, there was the group buy that @bogart mentioned above, although that particular group buy had a different set of changes from the originals than Adam's set had. Other people have had Rounders-inspired chips made using the Roman mold, personalized custom chips that are different from the Rounders chips but which share the same basic design concept, mold, and spot colors.

Not long after Adam's chips were made, ASM changed ownership and became Classic Poker Chips. The new owners chose to retire the Roman mold as it had become worn out. So from that point onward, there were no new Roman mold chips made ever again, including new Rounders replicas.

Since then, CPC has continued to offer Rounders replicas using molds other than the Roman mold; they offer the Circle-Square as a stock design, but since CPC lets you design your own custom chips you can get them on any mold you like.

In addition, there was a group buy of Rounders replicas made by T.R. King, back when they were still in business. Those chips were made using the TRK Small Crowns mold. You can see an example in @bogart 's post above. Since then, the Small Crowns mold has come into CPC's hands, and they can make chips using that mold, including Rounders replicas. They use their own formula for clay rather than the TRK formula, so any new Small Crowns Rounders chips will feel different from the TRK Rounders chips, even though they'll look the same.

So if you want Rounders chips today, you're limited to:

• The originals made for the movie, whether screen-used or not. Good luck. They sell for huge prices per chip.
• One of a handful of replicas made on the Roman mold, with some variety of small design changes from the originals. Good luck. All of those are in private hands and are probably not being sold any time soon, if ever.
• One of a handful of replicas made by TR King using the Small Crowns mold. Those are also in private hands, but might change hands if you have a lot of money and are very persuasive.
• Your choice of replica designs on any of CPC's molds besides the Roman mold, whether a stock design or a custom. There's absolutely no limitations here, and you can be as faithful to the original design as you like, since they won't be on the same mold as the originals. You can get one of the stock designs right away, or you can make a custom design and wait a long time for it to be produced (CPC lead times are many months, even up to a year or so).

That's the way the cookie crumbles.

 

[Colquhoun]

That's the way the cookie crumbles.

Or, the way the cookie is thrown against the wall, narrowly missing Grama's head.

 

[weorderedbacon]

Did you even watch the video?

Yeahh,

I was going to reply to the OP, but then wondered what he was talking about when he mentioned the group buy "a few months ago" and then realized this thread is five years old.

For @weorderedbacon and any other new members coming across this thread, here's some more recent info about Rounders chips:

Atlantic Standard Molding made the actual prop chips used in Rounders for the Chesterfield Club and for KGB's club (chips used in other scenes were various generic chips already available on the open market). Adam Savage's replicas were made by ASM; I recall reading somewhere that the person he talked to to have them made was a reseller or distributor of some sort rather than working directly with ASM, but I can't say that for certain. As shown in the video, Adam's chips have the bear pointing in the wrong direction.

Adam was not the only person to get Rounders replicas from ASM. For example, there was the group buy that @bogart mentioned above, although that particular group buy had a different set of changes from the originals than Adam's set had. Other people have had Rounders-inspired chips made using the Roman mold, personalized custom chips that are different from the Rounders chips but which share the same basic design concept, mold, and spot colors.

Not long after Adam's chips were made, ASM changed ownership and became Classic Poker Chips. The new owners chose to retire the Roman mold as it had become worn out. So from that point onward, there were no new Roman mold chips made ever again, including new Rounders replicas.

Since then, CPC has continued to offer Rounders replicas using molds other than the Roman mold; they offer the Circle-Square as a stock design, but since CPC lets you design your own custom chips you can get them on any mold you like.

In addition, there was a group buy of Rounders replicas made by T.R. King, back when they were still in business. Those chips were made using the TRK Small Crowns mold. You can see an example in @bogart 's post above. Since then, the Small Crowns mold has come into CPC's hands, and they can make chips using that mold, including Rounders replicas. They use their own formula for clay rather than the TRK formula, so any new Small Crowns Rounders chips will feel different from the TRK Rounders chips, even though they'll look the same.

So if you want Rounders chips today, you're limited to:

• The originals made for the movie, whether screen-used or not. Good luck. They sell for huge prices per chip.
• One of a handful of replicas made on the Roman mold, with some variety of small design changes from the originals. Good luck. All of those are in private hands and are probably not being sold any time soon, if ever.
• One of a handful of replicas made by TR King using the Small Crowns mold. Those are also in private hands, but might change hands if you have a lot of money and are very persuasive.
• Your choice of replica designs on any of CPC's molds besides the Roman mold, whether a stock design or a custom. There's absolutely no limitations here, and you can be as faithful to the original design as you like, since they won't be on the same mold as the originals. You can get one of the stock designs right away, or you can make a custom design and wait a long time for it to be produced (CPC lead times are many months, even up to a year or so).

That's the way the cookie crumbles.


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thanks alot omg !!!!! This is the best explanation so far

 

[Chiphuntr]

Roman mold rounders are fantastic chips in my opinion. I don’t know why CPC doesn’t resurrect the Roman mold, it seems to be very popular compared to some of the other molds they offer.

 

[CrazyEddie]

Roman mold rounders are fantastic chips in my opinion. I don’t know why CPC doesn’t resurrect the Roman mold, it seems to be very popular compared to some of the other molds they offer.

The existing Roman mold cups are worn out; they can't be used to reliably make chips that would pass quality control. The master die ("hob") to make more mold cups has been lost. Manufacturing a new hob that would work with CPC's equipment is very expensive and would be uneconomical; CPC would have to charge far more for the chips in order to recoup the costs than people would be willing to pay for those chips.

... although, with the price of chips on the second-hand market getting so crazy these days, maybe people would be willing to pay that much for brand-new Roman Rounders. But I wouldn't hold my breath on it ever happening.

 

[BGinGA]

I don’t know why CPC doesn’t resurrect the Roman mold

Approximately fifty-thousand reasons.

 

[CrazyEddie]

I swear we could get fifty people from this forum to put up a grand each AND commit to paying for a full set on top of that. Surely it's just a matter of time now...

[I know, I know, David knows what's workable and what's a pipe dream better than anyone. But still... we're allowed our pipe dreams, right?]