Does Texas Cardhouse use Claysmith Chips? (1 Viewer)

[Snapplefacts]

I’ve never played in Texas, so I have no idea what these chips really look or feel like, but I watch a lot of poker vlogs where I’ve seen people play at the Texas Cardhouse in Austin and Houston.
It looks to me like the exact edge spot designs of the Claysmith ‘Desert Heat’ set in play in Houston and the triangle and sticks from the Claysmith ‘Mint’ set in Austin.

It could also be the other way around, where Claysmith copied their design, but it would be interesting to find out that Claysmith makes chips in play at real casinos.

(Austin Chip pic from MikeScottsTot on Reddit)

 

[RichMahogany]

Yes

 

[Ethan]

Got that right. They use labeled claysmith chips. @PokerDocTX can probably confirm.

 

[Snapplefacts]

Got that right. They use labeled claysmith chips. @PokerDocTX can probably confirm.

I was thinking to myself how much I loved the look of the THC TCH Austin Chips, and now I know with a little relabeling I can have a semi custom set of my own

 

[Beakertwang]

I was thinking to myself how much I loved the look of the THC TCH Austin Chips, and now I know with a little relabeling I can have a semi custom set of my own

Fixed your post. Try not to make that mistake again, ok? You’ll send the forum into a collective tizzy.

 

[Frogzilla]

Dallas went with ceramics

 

[Snapplefacts]

Fixed your post. Try not to make that mistake again, ok? You’ll send the forum into a collective tizzy.

Almost as bad as if I called the labels inlays...

 

[Beakertwang]

Almost as bad as if I called the labels inlays...

Whoa, easy there, buddy! We don’t make jokes like that around here!

 

[raynmanas]

what a dumb decision, just absolutely begging to be ripped off.

 

[Snapplefacts]

what a dumb decision, just absolutely begging to be ripped off.

I imagine they must have some sort of security technology in their labels. But that was my first thought too and why I was so surprised to see that they’re the same chips

 

[raynmanas]

I imagine they must have some sort of security technology in their labels.

that's a really bold assumption lol. more likely they believe the label IS the security.

 

[Mike Wells]

They had the same chips at shark tank in Columbus. Recently changed them over. The ones were disintegrating. Half of them were so worn, the slugs were sticking out.

 

[RainmanTrail]

I'm baffled that someone hasn't taken them to the cleaners yet. Such a ridiculous display of ignorance.

 

[DeeVee8]

I’ve never played in Texas, so I have no idea what these chips really look or feel like, but I watch a lot of poker vlogs where I’ve seen people play at the Texas Cardhouse in Austin and Houston.
It looks to me like the exact edge spot designs of the Claysmith ‘Desert Heat’ set in play in Houston and the triangle and sticks from the Claysmith ‘Mint’ set in Austin.

It could also be the other way around, where Claysmith copied their design, but it would be interesting to find out that Claysmith makes chips in play at real casinos.

(Austin Chip pic from MikeScottsTot on Reddit)
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Huh. I didn't think hooker juice would stick to claysmiths.

 

[Mojo1312]

I'm baffled that someone hasn't taken them to the cleaners yet. Such a ridiculous display of ignorance.

Well, it is Texas.

Think of the money they are saving.

 

[PokerDocTX]

Got that right. They use labeled claysmith chips. @PokerDocTX can probably confirm.

Unfortunately I have not had the luxury of playing there. It’s in the Austin area and I am lucky enough to have multiple card houses closer to me in San Antonio. But they look the way that people describe!

 

[Papasatyr]

I imagine they must have some sort of security technology in their labels. But that was my first thought too and why I was so surprised to see that they’re the same chips

Maybe the secure technology is a transmitter inside the metal insert. We've shunned super-secure chips all this time!

 

[codeman00]

I’m glad this thread started because I was curious too when I saw the vlogs filmed there.

 

[LeLe]

considering the stake involve, really surprise about the chip. Maybe a lot of people harvest their chip when they just opened ?

 

[Hairy_Crocodile]

What ways do card rooms usually protect themselves other than having custom inlays/labels? RFID? Custom Ceramics maybe?
I still am yet to play at one, so I have no idea.

 

[codeman00]

What ways do card rooms usually protect themselves other than having custom inlays/labels? RFID? Custom Ceramics maybe?
I still am yet to play at one, so I have no idea.

Usually they just have unique chips, ones that only they can purchase. Higher denom chips can be larger size, more complex spot pattern, RFID, inserts in the chips, UV Markings, etc. some of these can actually be in the lower denom chips but usually only in the higher ones because of the expense.

 

[Hairy_Crocodile]

So even having a complex label doesn't provide enough security for smaller card rooms? I know a guy that keeps talking about opening up a room one day, and game security questions were going through my head as he spoke. On top of all the legal stuff he'd have to comb through....

Noted! I assume its just to prevent people from ordering the chips and attempting to copy the label, or get ahold of the image, order stickers and re-label their own to bring in.

 

[TheDonkeyKong]

Those are some UGLY chips

 

[codeman00]

So even having a complex label doesn't provide enough security for smaller card rooms? I know a guy that keeps talking about opening up a room one day, and game security questions were going through my head as he spoke. On top of all the legal stuff he'd have to comb through....

Noted! I assume its just to prevent people from ordering the chips and attempting to copy the label, or get ahold of the image, order stickers and re-label their own to bring in.

There are documentaries showing how people took real casino chips home and meticulously painted low value chips as high denom chips. Taking a chip home and copying a label wouldn’t be that difficult at all especially if you can buy as many chips as you want.

 

[Hairy_Crocodile]

There are documentaries showing how people took real casino chips home and meticulously painted low value chips as high denom chips. Taking a chip home and copying a label wouldn’t be that difficult at all especially if you can buy as many chips as you want.

Im new to poker (~4 months in now), so I havent heard of horror stories like that yet.

I'll suggest custom ceramics to him then if he ever does it one day. He spoke about card rooms he's played in that use re-labeled milanos and such and he seemed fine with the idea. I felt unsure about that, so I wanted to suck up my pride and ask here.

I'd rather look ignorant and like an idiot on here asking questions than not know these things

 

[codeman00]

Im new to poker (~4 months in now), so I havent heard of horror stories like that yet.

I'll suggest custom ceramics to him then if he ever does it one day. He spoke about card rooms he's played in that use re-labeled milanos and such and he seemed fine with the idea. I felt unsure about that, so I wanted to suck up my pride and ask here.

I'd rather look ignorant and like an idiot on here asking questions than not know these things

Ask away.... that’s what the forum is for...

 

[Hairy_Crocodile]

Ask away.... that’s what the forum is for...

Oh I do, trust me

 

[CrazyEddie]

What ways do card rooms usually protect themselves other than having custom inlays/labels?

Reputation.

Edit: never mind, wrong thread, I thought this was the one about the underground clubs with crappy chips.

 

[CrazyEddie]

Anyway, I'd bet there's a whole bunch of card rooms with chips like this, mass-market chips with custom labels, with absolutely no security features other than the custom labels (and maybe reputation). It'd take nothing at all for someone to make as many fakes as they want for under fifty cents a chip, and make them good enough that nobody could tell the difference. Forgery is an ancient art and it is not hard to learn.

Getting away with it is another matter, though. You've got to introduce them to the game in a way that doesn't raise eyebrows. The fakes will be discovered before too long, even if they're perfect, because the count will be off. Suddenly management is going to be scrutinizing everyone that was at the tables that night, hell, everyone who walked in the door. A criminal will have to think through their plans pretty carefully, and criminals are dumb (well, okay, forgers are usually pretty smart, although not necessarily in possession of the best judgment).

Custom ceramics are much harder to copy. A forger would need an up-front investment of equipment and a source for blanks that were sufficiently similar to the legit ones. A forger could probably skip the equipment and deal with a random vendor on Ali Baba and hope that vendor a) has similar blanks and a similar production process so that the chips aren't noticeably different, but honestly that's a pretty tall order, and b) doesn't turn out to be the same vendor that the card room used.

 

[TwoHomie]

Pretty sure Texas Poker Supply did their chips, and i vaguely recall a thread somewhere where they explained that the higher demon chips do have some sort of RFID technology - maybe a thin sticker below the [sticky thing on the chip with writing on it]