One last PLO8 hand from the Rumble in the Rockies (1 Viewer)

[DrStrange]

We are seven handed playing dealers choice at Rumble in the Rockies. This orbit the game is $0.25/ $0.50 pot limit Omaha hi/low split. This hand is taking place maybe thirty minutes after the last one.

I'll say something about the villains a little later in the hand. For now just know that the stacks are generally in the $80 to $300 range, with the typical stack closer to $100. Hero is playing with $200 chips.

The hand:

UTG limps. Hero is second to act holding Should Hero fold, limp or raise?

DrStrange

 

[ushallnotraise]

Fold. You're in EP without a2, no suited ace and have a hand that will almost never make the nuts both ways.

 

[jbutler]

Fold. You're in EP without a2, no suited ace and have a hand that will almost never make the nuts both ways.

You're disregarding our significant fun equity. Pot!

 

[Kyle]

Limp fold

 

[slisk250]

Not sure if I was at the table but limping in this case. No way I'm folding, see post #3.

 

[detroitdad]

Limp

 

[MegaTon44]

You're disregarding our significant fun equity. Pot!

Fun Equity = Actual Equity + Fold Equity +

 

[Rhodeman77]

Call 100% of the time. The hand isn't super strong but it has value especially on a high only board.

I have confidence in Doc's ability to get away from marginal flops and that is the key to playing these types of hands.

 

[Jimulacrum]

A limp is fine. A fold wouldn't be terrible. A raise would not be very good.

Probably time to dump it if someone in position pots it.

 

[bergs]

Fold. You're in EP without a2, no suited ace and have a hand that will almost never make the nuts both ways.

You really live up to your username, doncha?

 

[ushallnotraise]

You really live up to your username, doncha?

This is exactly the type of hands that get people into trouble in o8, playing oop with a marginal hand then getting scooped when you can't get away from 2nd or 3rd nut lo.

 

[mike32]

I almost have to see the flop with this hand.

 

[Ben]

A limp is fine. A fold wouldn't be terrible. A raise would not be very good.

Probably time to dump it if someone in position pots it.

^^This - although I once limp-folded a hand at BBotB and almost got banned on the spot, so that could be an extremely -FE (fun equity) move.

 

[detroitdad]

This is exactly the type of hands that get people into trouble in o8, playing oop with a marginal hand then getting scooped when you can't get away from 2nd or 3rd nut lo.

If I can seea cheap flop with this hand I will. You just have to be a disciplined post flop player

 

[DrStrange]

*** now what? ***

Hero waffles between call and fold and lands on limp for fifty cents. The local Hero has come to know so well makes it $3 to go. Two other villains call. Action on Hero, fold or call $2.50.

The local Villain has $80, by now Hero believes him to be less skilled than his table talk implies. The other two villains (BB and UTG) are loose, somewhat passive (and might not play much O8 experience) - Hero covers them both.

Note that Hero has second best position but that the original raiser has the best position.

 

[Ben]

Folding is the correct play, no question. Even against Spewy McSpewerson, effective stacks are nowhere near deep enough.

 

[tigon]

What did you think was going to happen after limping? Call.

 

[DrStrange]

There have been more limped pots than raised pots, say 35/65 in favor of limped pots. That makes a lot of sense with players who aren't very experienced, it takes a bit to learn what makes a raising hand.

Hero thought a multi-way limped pot was likely until it wasn't.

 

[BGinGA]

This is PLO8, correct?

Re-pot, silly. Undoubtedly you have the best hand vs all-talk villain, who very well may re-pot - ultimately making his positional advantage meaningless. Also likely to scare out the two inexperienced passive players..... limp-raising here will look very strong to those two.

 

[lnlver]

EV of a hand = value of the pot x coefficient of # of beers consumed to that point

 

[Mr Tree]

EV of a hand = value of the pot x coefficient of # of beers consumed to that point

Does anyone have a beer to scotch conversion chart?

 

[lnlver]

Does anyone have a beer to scotch conversion chart?

In engineering college, we have something called 'Skinner's constant'. It was the value which, when multiplied by your answer, equaled the correct answer to a math problem. Whenever you were wrong, you could say you forgot to include Skinner's constant.

 

[abby99]

In engineering college, we have something called 'Skinner's constant'. It was the value which, when multiplied by your answer, equaled the correct answer to a math problem. Whenever you were wrong, you could say you forgot to include Skinner's constant.

In accounting, sometimes the last entry in a list that had to balance would be labeled WITTB.

I never used it. (y) :thumbsup:

Spoiler

What It Takes To Balance

 

[mike32]

In accounting, sometimes the last entry in a list that had to balance would be labeled WITTB.

I never used it. (y) :thumbsup:

Spoiler

What It Takes To Balance

I am also an accountant and if WITTB is fairly immaterial, it works!

 

[DrStrange]

*** On to the flop ***

Hero calls. Four way action to the flop with $12 in the pot. Hero holds

Flop is: Two checks bring us to Hero. Check or bet? If betting, how much?

 

[Kyle]

✔

 

[Jimulacrum]

Check.

 

[Ben]

Check/call, watch hit the turn. Get it in, somehow watch the board pair and miss everything. Reload. Standard.

 

[moose]

^^this^^

 

[DrStrange]

That guess is really close, but oh so far away.