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So, this is yet another thread with a question and request for help on a chipset breakdown for tournaments, with a slight twist:

I’m looking for an expert opinion on what the following chipset breakdown will let me comfortably play — how many tables, and what starting stacks look like that are comfortably deep (like 25k to 50k), and will still allow for add-ons and rebuys. Looking at a T25-based tourney.

This is what I have:

380 x T25
680 x T100
440 x T500
920 x T1000
320 x T5000
140 x T10000
140 x T25000

Thanks for your help. I’ve never really run tournaments before, and would love to understand what the set above is comfortably capable of.
 
Hello,

In my opinion :

25 x 8 = 200
100 x 8 = 800
500 x 6 = 3 000
1000 x 6 = 6 000
5000 x 3 = 15 000

Perfect 25k stack.
If needed put a T25k on a stack for perfect 50k stack.

You can use 10k or 25k for rebuys.

In this case, u can probably make 47 starting stack
 
I am not an expert, but I am having trouble sleeping....so there's that.

Playing around with this pdf: https://homepokertourney.org/docs/poker-chip-calculator.pdf , you can easily do 3 tables at 25K starting stacks with a 12/12/7/10/2. Your set is very top heavy, so rebuys and add ons are no problems. You can squeeze in 40 players by cutting your 25s down to 8. You would probably be better cutting the 25's all together and running a 50K starting your blinds at the 100/100 or 100/200 levels, tbh.

Are you interested in looking at more than 40 players? At 40, you can still comfortably play a large starting chip stack plus rebuys and add ons. 40 players at 50K stacks is 2.2M. Your chips have 5.7M in value. I think your set would float up to 50 runners, but you will begin to feel the strain....with add ons and rebuys, that is.
 
For clarity:
-Your set's first strain will be on your T25's. Not a problem unless you get over 30 runners. At 40, you are going to have to limit your T25s in the starting stack.
-Next strain will be at your rebuy/add on if you go to T50K starts with 50 runners. You will eventually run out of value here.
 
Windwalker said:
So, this is yet another thread with a question and request for help on a chipset breakdown for tournaments, with a slight twist:

I’m looking for an expert opinion on what the following chipset breakdown will let me comfortably play — how many tables, and what starting stacks look like that are comfortably deep (like 25k to 50k), and will still allow for add-ons and rebuys. Looking at a T25-based tourney.

This is what I have:

380 x T25
680 x T100
440 x T500
920 x T1000
320 x T5000
140 x T10000
140 x T25000

Thanks for your help. I’ve never really run tournaments before, and would love to understand what the set above is comfortably capable of.
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Dont tell me those are ACF chips….if you have that many you are officially the envy of me. Hope they are though, because that would be an amazing set.

edit: dibs on sample! ;)
 
grebe said:
I am not an expert, but I am having trouble sleeping....so there's that.

Playing around with this pdf: https://homepokertourney.org/docs/poker-chip-calculator.pdf , you can easily do 3 tables at 25K starting stacks with a 12/12/7/10/2. Your set is very top heavy, so rebuys and add ons are no problems. You can squeeze in 40 players by cutting your 25s down to 8. You would probably be better cutting the 25's all together and running a 50K starting your blinds at the 100/100 or 100/200 levels, tbh.

Are you interested in looking at more than 40 players? At 40, you can still comfortably play a large starting chip stack plus rebuys and add ons. 40 players at 50K stacks is 2.2M. Your chips have 5.7M in value. I think your set would float up to 50 runners, but you will begin to feel the strain....with add ons and rebuys, that is.
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grebe said:
For clarity:
-Your set's first strain will be on your T25's. Not a problem unless you get over 30 runners. At 40, you are going to have to limit your T25s in the starting stack.
-Next strain will be at your rebuy/add on if you go to T50K starts with 50 runners. You will eventually run out of value here.
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Nicely done nuke!! :)
 
There are two basic breakdowns that merit consideration:
  • 12/12/X initial starting stacks when you have fewer players
  • 8/8/X breakdowns when you have more players
In your example, the tipping point occurs around n>30 players, when 12/12/X requires over 360 base T25 chips (and you have 380). Above that player threshold, you need to change to an 8/8/x breakdown up to 47 players to stay under the 380 max for T25 chips.

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Your set is deep enough to easily manage "high roller" starting stacks of T100k (i.e., skipping the T25) with multiple rebuys. Lots of versatility, so personal preference starts to factor into the equation.

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Note in all instances, I ignored the existence of the T10k. I'd personally consider over-labeling and dedicating some of your "extra" T100s (i.e., n=280 chips that are not played in a regular or high-roller setting) by overlabeling them into T100k to achieve even larger options. At the same time, I'd turn the T10k denoms into T500k.
 
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If it's my set, this is how I'd maximize it, Krish:

- I don't think I'd do a T50K. I'd opt for a T25K starting stack, with the the first blinds at 50/100, 250 bigs to begin with. No harm having a deeper starting stack but for a tourney, I don't think it makes for a better game.

- I'd start with 8 x 25s, 13 x 100s, 7 x 500s, 10 x 1K and 2 x 5Ks for a cool 40 chip starting stack. One can even store the chips like that. There is no need for 7 x 500s per person imo, one could go with 5 but then, it wouldn't be two full barrels, lol!

- The above would give me the ability to sit 47 players on that starting stack, with plenty of re-buys and color-ups.

- If going with T50K, then I'd do these starting stacks: 8 x 25s, 13 x 100s, 7 x 500s, 15 x 1K and 6 x 5Ks. I would not start with 6 denoms, 5 is already one more than I'd prefer actually.

- That would still allow 47 starting stacks plus plenty of re-buys and color-ups.

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@inca911 and @ChaosRock pretty much nailed it. If you have several tables, use your lower denominations for starting stacks, then do your rebuys and add-ons with the 1k/5k chips. Even playing that deep, I’d wait to color up to the 25ks until the 100’s come off the table (if possible).

Of course, do your players want lots of chips in their stacks, or fewer? Just be aware of the chips in play, and try not to have too few where change needs to be made often.
 
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inca911 said:
There are two basic breakdowns that merit consideration:
  • 12/12/X initial starting stacks when you have fewer players
  • 8/8/X breakdowns when you have more players
In your example, the tipping point occurs around n>30 players, when 12/12/X requires over 360 base T25 chips (and you have 380). Above that player threshold, you need to change to an 8/8/x breakdown up to 47 players to stay under the 380 max for T25 chips.

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Your set is deep enough to easily manage "high roller" starting stacks of T100k (i.e., skipping the T25) with multiple rebuys. Lots of versatility, so personal preference starts to factor into the equation.

View attachment 727213
Note in all instances, I ignored the existence of the T10k. I'd personally consider over-labeling and dedicating some of your "extra" T100s (i.e., n=280 chips that are not played in a regular or high-roller setting) by overlabeling them into T100k to achieve even larger options. At the same time, I'd turn the T10k denoms into T500k.
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I LOVE the idea of overlabelling the extra T100s to T100ks and the T10ks to T500k. In that case, would the super high roller starting stacks not have T100s at all? They’d start at T1000, right?
 
ChaosRock said:
If it's my set, this is how I'd maximize it, Krish:

- I don't think I'd do a T50K. I'd opt for a T25K starting stack, with the the first blinds at 50/100, 250 bigs to begin with. No harm having a deeper starting stack but for a tourney, I don't think it makes for a better game.

- I'd start with 8 x 25s, 13 x 100s, 7 x 500s, 10 x 1K and 2 x 5Ks for a cool 40 chip starting stack. One can even store the chips like that. There is no need for 7 x 500s per person imo, one could go with 5 but then, it wouldn't be two full barrels, lol!

- The above would give me the ability to sit 47 players on that starting stack, with plenty of re-buys and color-ups.

- If going with T50K, then I'd do these starting stacks: 8 x 25s, 13 x 100s, 7 x 500s, 15 x 1K and 6 x 5Ks. I would not start with 6 denoms, 5 is already one more than I'd prefer actually.

- That would still allow 47 starting stacks plus plenty of re-buys and color-ups.

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Love that flexibility. Thank you, Paulo!
 
pltrgyst said:
Beauties!

That's the first of your sets that I'm actually envious of, since I played at the ACF a number of times (despite their dress code!) Always with their cash chips -- never saw these live.
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I’m still hunting around for the manufacture date of these and if they were ever put into play.
 
What would go very nicely with this set is a bunch of Grimaud setups (2-pip, jumbo of course). Always happy to peel one off if you got extras :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 

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