Which set breakdown would you prefer? (2 Viewers)

[khp]

Assume games are 1 table and 6 to 9 players. Starting stacks would be 100BB for $0.25/$0.25, $0.25/$0.50, $1/$1, and $1/2 games, each played at roughly the same frequency. The bank is sufficient for either set.

Set A

• 200x $1
• 200x $5
• 80x $25
• 20x $100

Set B

• 180x undenominated chips used as $0.25 or $25
• 180x $1
• 180x $5

Set A:
Pros: denominated
Cons: need to divide for smaller games

Set B:
Pros: no division required
Cons: undenominated chips

Anything else to consider when comparing these two options? Which would you prefer?

 

[allforcharity]

Set B: use the non-denominated chips as feacs only. Buy some $25 chips, they are usually easiest and cheapest to find

 

[khp]

Set B: use the non-denominated chips as feacs only. Buy some $25 chips, they are usually easiest and cheapest to find

A good idea, but having more than ~500 chips in this specific set isn’t an option I’m considering at the moment.

Otherwise I’d just get the standard and often seen 100-200/200/200/80/20 breakdown.

 

[LeLe]

Personally I choose Set A over Set B

But i think Chipper will eventually have Sets that cover both high and Low stake, It part of the deal of being a collector to have more than 1 set

For Set B breakdown like the following will work better for ND, ND will be 25c 50c or $100 here

100 ND
200 $1
200 $5
100 $25

Or for 500 chip set

100 ND
200 $1
100 $5
100 $25

 

[lewan]

buying a 500 chip set for all stakes from $.25/$.25 $1/$2 isn't going to work.

 

[khp]

Personally I choose Set A over Set B

But i think Chipper will eventually have Sets that cover both high and Low stake, It part of the deal of being a collector to have more than 1 set

For Set B breakdown like the following will work better for ND, ND will be 25c 50c or $100 here

100 ND
200 $1
200 $5
100 $25

Or for 500 chip set

100 ND
200 $1
100 $5
100 $25

Thanks for your reply. I lean A as well.

I like starting with a barrel of the blind chips per person, so unfortunately your breakdowns don’t work.

 

[LeLe]

Thanks for your reply. I lean A as well.

I like starting with a barrel of the blind chips per person, so unfortunately your breakdowns don’t work.

Nothing wrong with wanting to start with 1 barrel of blind chips per person but if you are doing with a limit set number of 500-540 and wanting to cover 25c/50c to $1/$2.

Investing 40% of the chip into blind chips is going to be counterproductive

Another method with be face value divided by 2 or 4, this way you still be able to get by with covering 2 stake with the same chips but people around tend to only able to do divided by 2 and 10, any other division is like maths genius level problem for them

 

[Chris Flynn]

Try

160 x.25
160 x 1
160 x 5
20 x 20 or 25

 

[khp]

Nothing wrong with wanting to start with 1 barrel of blind chips per person but if you are doing with a limit set number of 500-540 and wanting to cover 25c/50c to $1/$2.

Investing 40% of the chip into blind chips is going to be counterproductive

Another method with be face value divided by 2 or 4, this way you still be able to get by with covering 2 stake with the same chips but people around tend to only able to do divided by 2 and 10, any other division is like maths genius level problem for them

Yup, that’s why I liked Set A. Starting stacks of $200 can equate to real value of $20, $40, $50, $100, and $200 easily.

 

[khp]

Try

160 x.25
160 x 1
160 x 5
20 x 20 or 25

Thanks for the suggestion. I originally had at least 180 so that 9 players could start with a barrel of the frac chip.

 

[BGinGA]

Keep looking. Neither of those sets meet your needs.

 

[Marius L]

Having a 500 chip set where you can play so many different stakes means you have to keep the number of chips of each denomination to a minimum. I would probably do something like this. Should work for both 25c/50c and 1/2.

100x 25c
140x $1
140x $5
100x 25
20x $100

 

[upNdown]

buying a 500 chip set for all stakes from $.25/$.25 $1/$2 isn't going to work.

Yup

 

[khp]

Why do you say that @BGinGA @Marius L @upNdown @lewan ?

Here’s what I was thinking:

For Set A,

Starting stacks would be $200:

• 20x $1
• 21x or 16x $5
• 3x or 4x $25
• For $20, $25, $50 buyins, simply divide by 10, 8, 4.
• $1/$1 or $1/$2 starting stacks should be self evident.
• Rebuys with $25s and $100s.
• Bank is sufficient.

For set B,

• $25 buyin - 20x fracs, 20x $1s
• $50 buyin - same as above and add 5x $5
• $100 buyin - 20x $1, 16x $5
• $200 buyin - same as above, add more $5s and $25s (the undenominated chip)
• Rebuys with larger denominations
• Bank is sufficient, gets a bit closer with a $50 buyin.

 

[Marius L]

Why do you say that @BGinGA @Marius L @upNdown @lewan ?

Here’s what I was thinking:

For Set A,

Starting stacks would be $200:

• 20x $1
• 21x or 16x $5
• 3x or 4x $25
• For $20, $25, $50 buyins, simply divide by 10, 8, 4.
• $1/$1 or $1/$2 starting stacks should be self evident.
• Rebuys with $25s and $100s.
• Bank is sufficient.

For set B,

• $25 buyin - 20x fracs, 20x $1s
• $50 buyin - same as above and add 5x $5
• $100 buyin - 20x $1, 16x $5
• $200 buyin - same as above, add more $5s and $25s (the undenominated chip)
• Rebuys with larger denominations
• Bank is sufficient, gets a bit closer with a $50 buyin.

For SET A: I'm not a fan of dividing by 10, 8, 4 or any number to be honest. The whole point of denomiations is for the chips to actually be worth what they say. If you have denoms but have to divide by 8 in your head everytime you make a bet then you are better of simply having non denominated chips.

For set B: I'm not a fan of using the same chip as a frac in one game and $25 in another, but it certainly works better than SET A for me, so I would probably pick that if I had to choose either A or B.

Thats my main problems with your suggestion. However if you dont mind it, then sure thing, feel free to go for it. Both options are viable. Bank is sufficient like you say.

 

[JustDave]

I’d go with a set that has the fracs in it and excludes the $100 chips. The only time you’d really need them is what rebuys playing 1/2 when everyone is pushing stacks? At that point put the $100 bills people are using into play and go from there?

Or, accept you need to make some sacrifices. Like a lot of sets have a lot
Of fracs, but even when playing .25/.25 a lot of folks are going to be betting $1 so can you get away with 20-40 fracs?

 

[gopherblue]

Two rules of thumb:
1. 100 x 25¢ is plenty for a single table, and
2. Always get spares (at least 5-10) of every denom in case of Murphy.


This guy keeps getting it right, and I hear he’s a hell of a fella:

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/breakdown-25-50-and-50-1-nl.15141/#post-265619

Or ignore him and go with this guy’s advice...he’s smaht and good-looking to boot:

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/need-help-with-cash-set-breakdown.6473/#post-67892

 

[upNdown]

Man, how are you gonna play a full ring at $1/1 or $1/2 with a single rack of $5 chips?

 

[LeLe]

Man, how are you gonna play a full ring at $1/1 or $1/2 with a single rack of $5 chips?

1 rack of $5 is doable but I will rather very much have 2 rack of workhorse chip unless it not by choice, sometimes no one is just selling that extra rack of $5 that you are looking for

 

[philhut]

What about NCV chips with a number on them. As an example (pls ignore the quantity) the chips below white could be 1cent or $1. red chips could be $5 or 5cents or other currency 5....25 as .25cents/$25 and where the low chips are frac's the 100 and 500 could play as $1 or $5. Likewise the 1000 and 5000 could be $10/$50.

totally non denom chips can work but results in more questions over the course of the game...

 

[lewan]

at this point if your heart is set on 500 chips, just speak to your players and commit to 1 stake. maybe go 1/1 and people can straddle / buy in for more if they want to play deeper.

 

[CraigT78]

buying a 500 chip set for all stakes from $.25/$.25 $1/$2 isn't going to work.

I came here to say this.

You either need to expand the total number of chips or have a different set for your bigger games.

 

[JustinInMN]

For 500 chips, I think your best case scenario is 100/200/160/40 of 0.25/1/5/25. If you have a hard cap of 500 chips, you really can't "afford" to spend more than 20% on fraction chips that won't even play in the higher games.

So for 0.25-0.25 or 0.25-0.50 this will accommodate
eight stacks of 12/22/x (of 0.25/1/5 where x is the number of fives needed to complete the buy in) and a ninth stack of 4/24/x.

For 1-1 and 1-2 you can at least accommodate 8 stacks of 10/18/x (1/5/25) with a 9th stack of 20/16/x from this breakdown. But that really is fewer fives than would be desirable for 1-2 especially. Not to mention with buy ins of 200, you will run of out 25s pretty quickly after rebuys, meaning you probably would have to allow hundred-notes to play on the table.

Personally, I don't understand the reason for the 500 chip cap? A 600-chip breakdown of 100/200/200/100 of 0.25/1/5/25 would handle all these stakes at least credibly and only be an extra 100 chips which I don't think would be an issue if you can afford 1-2.

All that said, I am of the opinion that dividing buy ins and cash outs is an invitation for banking errors and should be avoided. Furthermore having an un-denominated fraction chip is one thing, having an un-denominated chip that will sometimes stand for 0.25 or 25 is another banking issue waiting to happen. It opens the possibility of a chip being lost on 0.25 night and found on 25 night and the bank will have to eat that.