Where is Will Kassouf? (2 Viewers)

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I'm sure most people are glad he's been laying low since his "palming" incident in late 2018... but does anyone know what he's up to?

Status? Still playing? Or not?
 
He still in businesses, Playing in UK, Belgium, Prague and in Rozvadov
He cashed $ 38k since Jan 2019
But he does not wear any sponsor logo anymore

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AlwaysDefend said:
I'm friends with him. He currently plays in Aspers Casino in Stratford and tours around Europe. He goes to Vegas for the WSOP every year still. He is probably going to be at the next two WPT stops.
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I don’t know how he is IRL, or if his demeanor is just for show for the cameras? However, I find his personality pure cancer. He seems like a horrible human being.

Here’s to hoping it’s just for show and he’s actually a good dude....
 
mummel said:
I don’t know how he is IRL, or if his demeanor is just for show for the cameras? However, I find his personality pure cancer. He seems like a horrible human being.

Here’s to hoping it’s just for show and he’s actually a good dude....
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I'd probably say that describing his personality as cancer is very harsh. He was portrayed as a villain in the WSOP broadcast back in 2016 and the way that Vayo, Johnny Bax etc acted towards him was fuelled by roumers circulating around the cardroom that he had made Stacey Matuson cry. The people that were hating on him at WSOP were the true villains, practically colluding against him because he was playing them in a way that tested their patience.

He is a nice guy, be it annoying at times but that's just how he is. Nobody is perfect. One thing I will say is that I don't condone what he did that time at the roulette table but then again people are quick to judge and don't know the full context, they just know what has been said by others.
 
AlwaysDefend said:
I'd probably say that describing his personality as cancer is very harsh. He was portrayed as a villain in the WSOP broadcast back in 2016 and the way that Vayo, Johnny Bax etc acted towards him was fuelled by roumers circulating around the cardroom that he had made Stacey Matuson cry. The people that were hating on him at WSOP were the true villains, practically colluding against him because he was playing them in a way that tested their patience.

He is a nice guy, be it annoying at times but that's just how he is. Nobody is perfect. One thing I will say is that I don't condone what he did that time at the roulette table but then again people are quick to judge and don't know the full context, they just know what has been said by others.
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I remember seeing a video a while back where his verbal abuse towards this woman was unacceptable. She called the TD to step in.

Guy is a bully and deserves the hate he gets for behaving this way. Can’t go through life treating others like sht and not expect blowback. He can’t exactly cry “victim” here either.....
 
AlwaysDefend said:
The people that were hating on him at WSOP were the true villains, practically colluding against him because he was playing them in a way that tested their patience.
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How can you say that with a straight face? He brought on everything that he got that year.

There's a saying here in the US: "talk shit, get hit." Basically meaning, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. And Kassouf got exactly what was coming to him. Call it whatever the hell you want... "speech play," strategy, needling, angling, whatever... he was rude and unprofessional by many standards of poker. And he still got far better treatment from tournament officials, and many other players, than he really deserved.

So don't go around pretending that everyone else in the tournament were "the true villains." You just can't be taken seriously with that kind of argument.
 
mummel said:
I remember seeing a video a while back where his verbal abuse towards this woman was unacceptable. She called the TD to step in.

Guy is a bully and deserves the hate he gets for behaving this way. Can’t go through life treating others like sht and not expect blowback. He can’t exactly cry “victim” here either.....
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Verbal abuse:
Verbal abuse is the act of forcefully criticizing, insulting, or denouncing another person. Characterized by underlying anger and hostility, it is a destructive form of communication intended to harm the self-concept of the other person and produce negative emotions.

He did not criticise, insult or denounce Stacy Matson. What he did was blabbered on and didn't provide space between sentences for her to think about her decision. He was within his right to talk as the pot was heads up and used that right to its fullest extent. He was given a penalty by Jack Eiffel because Jack didn't like the hand gestures after he was told to stop talking. All he was communicating was "you fold and show and I'll show".

If you get mad at other peoples tactics in poker, that's your problem and you need to fix it because that's going to prevent you from winning more money in the future. It's a game of poker, it's built on bullying short stacks and applying pressure to people. If you can't take the heat get outta the firing line.
 
justsomedude said:
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How can you say that with a straight face? He brought on everything that he got that year.

There's a saying here in the US: "talk shit, get hit." Basically meaning, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. And Kassouf got exactly what was coming to him. Call it whatever the hell you want... "speech play," strategy, needling, angling, whatever... he was rude and unprofessional by many standards of poker. And he still got far better treatment from tournament officials, and many other players, than he really deserved.

So don't go around pretending that everyone else in the tournament were "the true villains." You just can't be taken seriously with that kind of argument.
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Because I'm not emotionally predisposed to disliking someone. You obviously don't like him and that's fuelling your arguement. I'm not saying he didn't do something wrong when in that tournament but your hate is misdirected. His problem was the excessive tanking, not his talking. Fact.
 
mummel said:
I remember seeing a video a while back where his verbal abuse towards this woman was unacceptable. She called the TD to step in.

Guy is a bully and deserves the hate he gets for behaving this way. Can’t go through life treating others like sht and not expect blowback. He can’t exactly cry “victim” here either.....
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Go watch the matuson clip...his behavior might not be as bad as you remember it. Certainly nothing I would describe as “abuse”.

And as soon as matuson lobbies for his hand to be killed, she gets no sympathy from me.
 
AlwaysDefend said:
His problem was the excessive tanking, not his talking. Fact.
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The WSOP doesn't happen in a bubble. It's a real world event with other real living people. Interactions occur. Emotions are involved. We aren't talking about robot poker here. Fact.

Yes, by standard poker etiquette his only real "infraction" (and technically he wasn't even breaking any formal poker rules) was his excessive tanking.

However, by any social and human interaction standards, he was simply being an asshole.

Can some one be an asshole at the poker table as part of their strategy/play? Sure. That's their prerogative. But that doesn't mean they cannot expect some kind of blowback, or reaction from other players. To suggest Kassouf should be immune from any social reactions to his behavior implies you have your own bias towards him. This only demonstrates your own lack of objectivity in evaluating his conduct.
 
justsomedude said:
The WSOP doesn't happen in a bubble. It's a real world event with other real living people. Interactions occur. Emotions are involved. We aren't talking about robot poker here.

Yes, by standard poker etiquette his only real "infraction" (and technically he wasn't even breaking any rules) was his excessive tanking.

However, by any social and human interaction standards, he was simply being an asshole.

Can some one be an asshole at the poker table? Yes. That's their prerogative. But that doesn't mean they cannot expect some kind of blowback, or reaction from other players. To suggest Kassouf should be immune from such social reactions implies you have your own bias towards him. This simply demonstrates your own lack of objectivity in evaluating his conduct.
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I didn't suggest he should be immune from such social reactions. You're just taking what I said about you being emotionally predisposed and trying to flip it on me because you're not willing to accept youre wrong.
I've clearly stated where he was in the wrong and applied no bias but your hate is clouding you from seeing that. I do not condone his tanking, I do not condone his actions at the roulette table, however if he wishes to talk in a heads up pot he is fully within his right to do so.

What I further don't condone is people like Johnny bax saying "don't worry guys we will get him together" or people like Matt Moss that English player saying "he's probably a $100 comp grinder at home, I'll stake you for the 109 on pokerstars" or even Gordon Vayo spreading lies to everyone becuase he has lost his patience with Kassouf. What Matthew Moss said could be potentially seen as verbal abuse and Vayo/Bax definitely could be seen as bully's. Go back and listen to what Will was saying to people. He never once criticised anyone, you just don't like the way he said things and you don't like your perception of his personality because you watched a couple vids and read a few posts about the incident at the roulette table.

Just because he is my friend, doesn't mean that he is immune from anything. He's annoying as fuck but if I'm playing poker and I let that affect me, then that's my problem and I'm obviously not as good at poker as I think lol. He stayed within the rules at the time of the event and wasn't rude to people, people just got sour because he can come across as obnoxious and then he out played them and ran deeper than them.

Also, to use your words "interactions happen, emotions are involved" - that works both ways and when emotions are involved people are likely to make mistakes and might not come across well.
 
AlwaysDefend said:
Also, to use your words "interactions happen, emotions are involved" - that works both ways and when emotions are involved people are likely to make mistakes and might not come across well.
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It's not really worth discussing this with you, as you're so blinded by your bias.

I've already said Kassouf can say/do whatever he wants at the poker table. But if you mess with the bull, eventually you get the horns. Yes, other players overreacting may "not come across well," but the person instigating them until they snap cannot be ignored either. Courtesy is a two-way street. And I'm not really sure how you do not comprehend that.

Furthermore, I'm the only one seeing both sides of the coin here, which is Kassouf's bad behavior and other players' bad reactions. You're the one suggesting it's "Everyone but Kassouf" who behaved badly.

To steal a line from Griffin Benger... you might want to check your privilege. ;)
 
justsomedude said:
It's not really worth discussing this with you, as you're so blinded by your bias.

I've already said Kassouf can say/do whatever he wants at the poker table. But if you mess with the bull, eventually you get the horns. Yes, other players overreacting may "not come across well," but the person instigating them until they snap cannot be ignored either. Courtesy is a two-way street. You have to give to get.

And I'm the only one seeing both sides of the coin here, which is Kassouf's bad behavior and other players' bad reactions. You're the one suggesting it's "Everyone but Kassouf" who behaved badly.

To steal a line from Griffin Benger... you might want to check your privilege. ;)
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I clearly just proved I'm not bias so tbh you're just spewing horse shit at this point.

I didn't say he never acted badly - read my posts ffs. I'm saying he acted within the rules but may be obnoxious in some of the ways he said things. None of the actual content of what he said was offensive to anyone. Anyway for the most part offense is taken not given. Not my fault if you or anyone else is a snowflake.

To steal a line from nobody you should probably write your posts with evidence rather than just claiming things like I'm bias etc. Because you don't know me at all and if you did you would eat your words.
 
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AlwaysDefend said:
I clearly just proved I'm not bias so tbh you're just spewing horse shit at this point.

I didn't say he never acted badly - read my posts ffs. I'm saying he acted within the rules but may be obnoxious in some of the ways he said things. None of the actual content of what he said was offensive to anyone. Anyway for the most part offense is taken not given. Not my fault if you or anyone else is a snowflake.

To steal a line from nobody you should probably write your posts with evidence rather than just claiming thinks like I'm bias etc. Because you don't know me at all and if you did you would eat your words.
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At least now I can understand why you and Kassouf are friends. :D
 

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