Tourney What I learned from hosting my first tourney after taking a 6 month break (1 Viewer)

Beakertwang

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Back in November, I hosted a game, and it went really badly. We moved it to another guy's house, so he and his wife could play (they have a load of kids), and it went so badly with "house rules", hit-and-runs, string bets, and comments like "relax, this isn't a casino." Since then, I've held some cash games, without the offending parties in attendance, but I've been gunshy about trying a tourney again.

It went much better this time. I had 8 players, 10K stacks, 20 minute levels, and 3 rebuys. I still need to work on my hosting, but I learn something new every time.

Here's what I learned, with the less important items first:
  • I'm going to get a hot dog roller
  • Nachos are a bad pairing with my chips and cards
  • Scrap carpet pad and outdoor fabric can make a pretty nice playing surface on the cheap
  • My Majestics look great, but they are way too slippery (slippery has become a big issue to me).
  • Early bird bonus chips work
  • It's fun when an inexperienced (read: bad) player runs really hot and cashes for the first time
  • STOP MAKING CHANGE OUT OF THE POT UNTIL THE BETTING IS COMPLETE!
  • It's hard to make a tourney structure that makes everyone happy, especially when you have a time limit
  • It takes a lot of work to keep a good game, including managing loud trigger-topic discussions among busted players
  • Just because someone used to deal at a casino, he may still not know how to do things right
  • I've spent a lot of time and money trying to make a good game for my friends and guests. If someone doesn't like it, they don't need to come back, and I need to stick to my guns. I also need to be more pro-active and assertive against alpha-male types.
  • I'll get better at all this with every game, and I won't feel so anxious about handling issues. (Right?)
A few key occurances:
  • An inexperienced young lady who is just a bad calling station ran really good, calling big bluffs with A high, catching every straight full house, etc. all night long, much to the chagrin of her victims. She ended up cashing 2nd. She's sweet, and not very attentive, but she always turned her cards over, so even though she missed that she had a couple straights and a flush, she got the pot. :D She was really pumped, and I had a lot of fun giving her the cash.
  • A new guy, friend-of-a-friend came. Pretty decent player, and was a pretty nice guy, but he acted like he knew everything. When I was doing color-ups, he snapped at me for touching his chips, and told me I was doing it wrong. Next time, I'll just handle it myself and everyone else can have a break. I also asked him to put his big chips out front, and he replied "I'll show anyone who asks." He also made change out of the pot after I told him and another player not to. He also said "I'll see your 6000, and raise..." He wasn't angling, but I let it go, because I'm not great at handling confrontation with Type-A's. :D I told my friend who invited him that I didn't appreciate some of his behaviors.
  • My former dealer buddy tried to tell me all the race chips go to the guy with the highest card. :confused
  • We went a little over the 4 hour schedule, and 1st and 2nd agreed to a weighted chop, but that's because 3 of the last four players were pretty passive and cautious. If myself and my son were there, chips woulda been flying. :D
TL;DR: If you're the host/TD, learn your stuff, and stick to your guns.
 
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  • A new guy, friend-of-a-friend came. Pretty decent player, and was a pretty nice guy, but he acted like he knew everything. When I was doing color-ups, he snapped at me for touching his chips, and told me I was doing it wrong. Next time, I'll just handle it myself and everyone else can have a break. I also asked him to put his big chips out front, and he replied "I'll show anyone who asks." He also made change out of the pot after I told him and another player not to. He also said "I'll see your 6000, and raise..." He wasn't angling, but I let it go

Sounds like an asshole

Never let this one go. Verbal is binding is one of the most fundamental rules whether it is intentional or not.
 
Sounds like an asshole

Never let this one go. Verbal is binding is one of the most fundamental rules whether it is intentional or not.
Yeah, I'm trying to get used to this. It probably would've felt like I was on his case all night, and because he is like he is, it may have been confrontational. I don't like confrontation with people I don't know well. I need to learn to deal with this, and not just in poker.
 
You need a button like mine:

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Answer when someone questions the floor "read the side of the button".

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I prefer to just color everyone up (i.e. round up) rather than race.

As far as the alpha male type disputing YOUR house rules, fuck that noise. You put a LOT of effort into hosting, people NEED to respect YOUR house. No point in hosting people who are going to make it unenjoyable for you to have them there.
 
It's great that you're hosting games again. A lot of good info in this post. One thing I've never enforced is players making change out of the pot before betting is complete. I've now decided that I will use the "Because it's my f*#$%ing house" approach to this!
 
I’ve been at some games with stupids rules where I bite my tongue.

“Chips on cards means you fold here.”

House rules are the standard buddy you don’t like them there is the door.

I played a home game where if both players had the same hand, they'd go to the 6th card to break the tie, wtf?
 
Easy way of dealing with asshats.

My house, my rules. You don’t like it, the door is over there. Just be consistent with your rulings.
 
Well done. Every game you host you will learn what works and what doesn't. Always looking for ways to improve the overall experience is a good thing.

Ultimately you want everyone to have a good time and hopefully keep your game going on a regular basis. As you host more and have more regular players it will run more smoothly and be more enjoyable for all.

To deal with the friend of a friend, next time a simple poster of the rules will quickly eliminate his antics. It will also be available for all the players in attendance. You can point to the rule and then enforce it acccordingly. If he still gives you lip then you can ask him to cool it or leave. He will get the message quick. His lack of respect to the host at that point is completely out of line. I would also address his behavior to your friend that you will not put up with that crap. You want good friendly people in your home, not strange know it alls who have no clue how a tournament is run.

For next time, if you have a bunch of players who do not regularly play tournaments and or new players to your group you can simply quickly go over the basic rules quickly before the tourney starts and then say most of all have fun.

A hot dog roller will be a big hit. Highly recommended.
 
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We run a pretty good cash game at our regular game. sometimes going to a different game is worrisome due to weird house rules or not knowing actual rules.
Going to @bsdunbar1 was great. One of the few times a set up is better than my groups regular game.

Amazon has a nifty handbook to Incase you get arguments.
 
Easy way of dealing with asshats.

My house, my rules. You don’t like it, the door is over there. Just be consistent with your rulings.
Make this the first thing that is told the players.
Send out the rules beforehand, if possible, then tell everyone that if they have questions, ask.
Build a FAQ.
 
Congrats on hosting again...

I start out my tourneys with a brief speech. Goes something like this:

“Thanks everyone for coming.

I have rules posted, but the one rule I say out loud is my house is a douchebag-free zone. You are all guests in my home, so treat each other accordingly. Win or lose, I want everyone to have fun.

Also understand that there are newer players and more experienced players. New people, be receptive to learning the house rules and etiquette. Experienced folks, be patient and understanding of the new people, help them out.”

I then go on to explain bounties, and that there’s a cash game, etc...
 
Here's what I learned, with the less important items first:
  • I'm going to get a hot dog roller

I can’t believe no one else has commented on the fact that you list this as the LEAST important takeaway.....

Great post, other than that. I’m like you, I don’t enjoy confrontation, and I try to avoid it at all costs, especially with friends. I’m less concerned about pissing strangers off.

Next time I host, I will likely send out a list of house rules beforehand, and have them handy at the table so that there is no question what is “correct” in my house.
 
Hey, way to go on hosting again! I have been on a bit of a break myself, kids happen.

Nachos are a bad pairing with my chips and cards

Yeah, hope no permanent damage was done.

My former dealer buddy tried to tell me all the race chips go to the guy with the highest card. :confused

I doubt he was dealing poker then, or he was somewhere with a goofy house rule.

Maybe he was smoking whatever he was actually dealing?
 
I've only hosted cash games, not tournaments. But before every game I text everybody a list of the house rules, I also post them on the wall near the table. I usually get a bit of stick from a few players who make some wise cracks about some of the rules, or that I'm too anal about poker. But almost every game some sort of situation has come up where I go to the house rules to settle a debate or something.

The one rule that my players joke about the most is my "announce your intent to leave the game 30 minutes in advance", to avoid a player winning a big pot and immediately going home. Last game a player announced at 10:30 that he would be leaving at 11. At 10:59 at the start of the deal he said "well I guess this is my last hand". He ended up winning a huge all-in hand, went from being even to +$125. The losing player was pissed that he was leaving with all of "his money".
 
What's the reason for not making change out of the pot?

It can cause confusion. Say you're playing a $1/$3 game, player to the left of the BB calls by putting in a $5, and he takes two of the BB $1 chips to make his own change. If the BB and/or dealer don't see this happen it becomes very confusing.

EDIT: Just realized you were asking about making change out of the pot, which is a slightly different scenario than the one I described.
 

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