Cash Game What Does 1/2/5 mean?

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I see this all over Facebook for home games, does that mean sb 1 bb 2 bigger bb 5? Just a little confused.
 

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Agreed it generally means 1/2 blinds with a $5 bring-in. But someone could also mean 1/2 blinds with a mandatory $5 straddle in some instances as well.
 

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Do you call it a bring-in when it's voluntary? In stud, a bring-in is a forced bet, right? But in this situation, the $5 bet is just the minimum to open - is that a bring-in?
 

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If you’re seeing it on FB I’m sure it’s a straddle. FB advertised games are always raked and straddles are a great way to to hit the 3BB minimum most apps need to drop.

plus, I’ve never seen a bring-in game advertised on social media lol. NLH, yes, but stud no
 

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Do you call it a bring-in when it's voluntary? In stud, a bring-in is a forced bet, right? But in this situation, the $5 bet is just the minimum to open - is that a bring-in?
Yes, it’s called a bring in even though it’s not a forced bet. I don’t know why it’s called that, but it is.
 

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If you’re seeing it on FB I’m sure it’s a straddle. FB advertised games are always raked and straddles are a great way to to hit the 3BB minimum most apps need to drop.

plus, I’ve never seen a bring-in game advertised on social media lol. NLH, yes, but stud no
You’re right if it’s a NLHE game. But as I mentioned above, 1-2-5 PLO is typically a $5 bring in rather than a mandatory straddle. Nobody is talking about a stud game.
 

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So in the case it doesn't mean a straddle, a5 bring in means "no limping" to start? A player that wishes to come to the pot must raise to 5 or fold?
 

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So in the case it doesn't mean a straddle, a5 bring in means "no limping" to start? A player that wishes to come to the pot must raise to 5 or fold?
It’s not really considered a raise, but that’s right. The way I look at it, it’s basically that the amount to call/limp is different than the BB.
 

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You’re right if it’s a NLHE game. But as I mentioned above, 1-2-5 PLO is typically a $5 bring in rather than a mandatory straddle. Nobody is talking about a stud game.
Gotcha. Haven’t played any PLO with a bring in and certainly haven’t seen 1/2/5 or 2/5/10 PLO advertised on social media. Nowadays the vast majority of poker game ads I see on FB or instagram are either NLH or OFC, oddly enough.
 

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It’s not really considered a raise, but that’s right. The way I look at it, it’s basically that the amount to call/limp is different than the BB.

Oh meaning 5 is the minimum to open the pot, but a player could open for full pot if he wanted? I guess outside the blinds that would mean a total of 7 or 8 depending on whether the SB counts as complete?

I believe a lot of draw games were played with this sort of bring in structure.
 

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That’s right, although in 1-2-5 PLO games, usually the max open (pot) is 15 because the blinds together are counted as 5 for purposes of calculating pot.
 

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That’s right, although in 1-2-5 PLO games, usually the max open (pot) is 15 because the blinds together are counted as 5 for purposes of calculating pot.
I was always bugged by this when playing PLO in Vegas, because I wanted an actual 1-2 PLO game to learn at. Now I think it just gives the tight nit play style an added advantage to sit and fold $3 an orbit while essentially playing a 2-5 game.
 

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I was always bugged by this when playing PLO in Vegas, because I wanted an actual 1-2 PLO game to learn at. Now I think it just gives the tight nit play style an added advantage to sit and fold $3 an orbit while essentially playing a 2-5 game.
I like the sounds of that
 

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I was always bugged by this when playing PLO in Vegas, because I wanted an actual 1-2 PLO game to learn at. Now I think it just gives the tight nit play style an added advantage to sit and fold $3 an orbit while essentially playing a 2-5 game.

every game is different. Here in Cleveland it is a $1/2 blinds with a $5 bring in so the opening max bet is up $15. While in Columbus they play a true $1/2 game so the max open is $7.
 

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It’s not really considered a raise, but that’s right. The way I look at it, it’s basically that the amount to call/limp is different than the BB.
The reality is that it's a forced raise to $5 (minimum) to play a hand if you're opening the action. Initially calling/limping isn't allowed. Not calling it a raise is misleading.
 

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The reality is that it's a forced raise to $5 (minimum) to play a hand if you're opening the action. Initially calling/limping isn't allowed. Not calling it a raise is misleading.
Call it whatever you want, but people in the game generally don’t consider it a raise. If you throw a $5 chip in and say “I raise to $5” the table will think you’re making a joke.

Also, if you just verbalize “raise” and don’t do anything else, my guess is that the floor will force you to bet at least $10. I don’t plan on testing that.
 

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Call it whatever you want, but people in the game generally don’t consider it a raise. If you throw a $5 chip in and say “I raise to $5” the table will think you’re making a joke.

Also, if you just verbalize “raise” and don’t do anything else, my guess is that the floor will force you to bet at least $10. I don’t plan on testing that.

It is a rule of the game not a raise as @Hornet said. The BB can’t see the flop for $2.

if a player did say raise they can’t put in just the $5 chip as mentioned as well. The player would have to make it at least $10.

And as also mentioned it is like getting to play in a $2/5 game that only cost $3/orbit to fold. Great for nits that like to buy in for the minimum and find a good spot to get it all-in preflop.
 

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The reality is that it's a forced raise to $5 (minimum) to play a hand if you're opening the action. Initially calling/limping isn't allowed. Not calling it a raise is misleading.
At the expense of being super naive, is there utility in playing a 1/2/5 PLO game over a regular 2/5 PLO game? I've played .10/.20/.40 and .20/.40 on apps and the .10/.20/.40 actually plays a hair bigger, but is it the same in PLO? Having a little trouble wrapping my head around forced bets that aren't blind. I've played plenty of straddle NLH games, some PLO, and a little stud, but a bring-in-that-isn't-really-a-bring-in is somewhat foreign to me lol
 

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It is a rule of the game not a raise as @Hornet said. The BB can’t see the flop for $2.

if a player did say raise they can’t put in just the $5 chip as mentioned as well. The player would have to make it at least $10.

And as also mentioned it is like getting to play in a $2/5 game that only cost $3/orbit to fold. Great for nits that like to buy in for the minimum and find a good spot to get it all-in preflop.
Kinda answered my question and you even posted it a second before mine :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 

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I get it, so it's more like it's always "5 to call" even if the BB is only 2. If you raise pot as the first in, it woulde be to 13, 14, or 15 depending on how the blinds are counted.
 

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At the expense of being super naive, is there utility in playing a 1/2/5 PLO game over a regular 2/5 PLO game? I've played .10/.20/.40 and .20/.40 on apps and the .10/.20/.40 actually plays a hair bigger, but is it the same in PLO? Having a little trouble wrapping my head around forced bets that aren't blind. I've played plenty of straddle NLH games, some PLO, and a little stud, but a bring-in-that-isn't-really-a-bring-in is somewhat foreign to me lol

.20/40 can actually play bigger than 10/20/40 because the 40 in the second one is already the straddle. In the first one 20/40 there is no straddle. If someone does straddle it becomes 20/40/80 and is much bigger of a game.
 

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I get it, so it's more like it's always "5 to call" even if the BB is only 2. If you raise pot as the first in, it woulde be to 13, 14, or 15 depending on how the blinds are counted.

it is a $5 chip game, so $10 or $15 are the only opening raise options.

post flop if there are any $1 in the pot from folded blinds they are rounded up to a $5. It makes the game go faster for the dealer to know how much is in the pot to calculate bets and raises.
 

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I get it, so it's more like it's always "5 to call" even if the BB is only 2. If you raise pot as the first in, it woulde be to 13, 14, or 15 depending on how the blinds are counted.
That’s how I look at it. It would be unusual for the opening bet to be $13 or $14 with a $5 bring in game. It’s almost always $15 max and sometimes $20 if the blinds are “counted” as separate bets, and it’s basically a red chip game. As @Rhodeman77 mentioned above, in a true 1-2 game the opening pot bet would be $7.
 

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I don’t think anyone has addressed why this structure exists.

A dealer at Wynn told me it’s a workaround to not have to pay time rake. It’s easier to get players to sit at “1-2” PLO and not pay time to sit at 2-5 or 5-5.

Last time I was at Wynn it was essentially 1-2-10 every hand with the straddle lol.
 

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I don’t think anyone has addressed why this structure exists.

A dealer at Wynn told me it’s a workaround to not have to pay time rake. It’s easier to get players to sit at “1-2” PLO and not pay time to sit at 2-5 or 5-5.

Last time I was at Wynn it was essentially 1-2-10 every hand with the straddle lol.
Well
FB advertised games are always raked and straddles are a great way to to hit the 3BB minimum most apps need to drop.
I figured initially it had to do with rake in some capacity, it just wasn't the exact capacity I thought lol. I can for sure imagine poker rooms would rather take a traditional rake than time charges, so this does make sense.
 

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I don’t think anyone has addressed why this structure exists.

A dealer at Wynn told me it’s a workaround to not have to pay time rake. It’s easier to get players to sit at “1-2” PLO and not pay time to sit at 2-5 or 5-5.

Last time I was at Wynn it was essentially 1-2-10 every hand with the straddle lol.

here in Cleveland time rake starts at $5/10 and higher. The main table on the weekends will often switch to $5/10 because it is cheaper than the rake. Especially if there are no high hand promos going on. The casino takes $2/hand for promo and time raked games don’t get it taken out.
 
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