So I’ve read and re-read these points and have a couple questions. (And PLEASE know that I’m not coming at you with any attitude, I’m genuinely trying to figure out answers…I swear I’m not being defensive!)
Many rec players consider check-raising rude. Slow playing or trapping big hands, overbetting the river, all things that make the game less enjoyable for the casual player. (I was raised that checking wasn’t allowed in our friends and family games.) Yet I argue that these are vital to the different levels of poker artistry. Should these be banned from the game? Or should players learn from their mistakes, learn from different plays used against them, and then improve their own game? I ask because I was on the receiving end of the cash-under-the-stack maneuver and had to learn that moving forward I need to ask for an accurate count when making decisions. I didn’t get mad at the player or the rule, it was just part of the game and I had to learn that.
Again, please don’t think that I’m arguing for it to be allowed today. I’m just stating that poker grew very fast, and not all the rules grew with it, and unfortunately that was just a part of the game. Same as someone strategically betting just enough so the action would reopen if a short stack went all in. It’s all part of the learning process of all the nuances of the game.
Also, I think playing deep stack poker is a skill that is difficult to cultivate if you can only buy in for 100-200bb. I love jamming in short buy ins once in a while, but I know that I take the game way more seriously when I have a stack to consider.
Lot of people brought up the rake. I agree that that’s a factor in not wanting people to go broke fast…doesn’t mean I have to like it though
I went back and forth about posting this last part, but I think it’s relevant…would it matter at all if I said that the games I play in have 5 and 6 figure swings regularly? Does this change how you’d view what’s best for the game or the players in the game? (I wasn’t playing that big twenty years ago when people would have cash under their chips, those games would only be 10-20k swings. Again, not arguing for that to ever come back as an accepted part of poker)… the more I read and consider the comments, the more I think it really does matter because the people I play with aren’t new to the game. And if you’re 20 hours or more into a session and get felted, you want to buy in for a lot more than just 1-200bb.
As before, thanks everyone for your time and energy!! I really appreciate everyone’s input and love thinking about the game we love in a much deeper way!!
I’m grateful for you PCF!!