Vaccinated Poker Night....

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So I managed to luck my way in to get my first Moderna shot on Tuesday of this week. I scheduled the follow up for March 31st. Its been way too long since I hosted a poker night (Superbowl Saturday 2020), so I emailed my list and said that our first poker night back would be the second Saturday in April. In order to attend, each player must either have been vaccinated, or have had COVID within 6 months of the game, which is to the best of what I can find, the "immunity" period for those who have recovered. I based that on the NIH findings.

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They need to either text or email me proof, trust me doesn't cut it. It will be back in the house and not outside. Because of everyone playing being vaccinated, or in their immunity period, I see this as a low risk scenario. It turns out that I already have several people that have sent me proof and are pumped to play. We however, are still limited to 10 people by Baltimore County Regulations.

I can't wait. We are creeping our way back to normal people!
 

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I can't wait. We are creeping our way back to normal people!

I guess it is a move in the right direction, but it still feels a long way from normal...

Obviously you can do whatever you want, and I encourage you to do so. As far as I am concerned you are being pretty responsible & even if you wanted to have 2 tables in your basement with 16-20 people & still taking the same precautions I would still say you are being responsible & shouldn't be prevented from doing what you are doing.

I am wondering are the card rooms near where you live open? I am guessing that since you mentioned Baltimore that you can't be too far from Maryland Live, right? That place is open & I am pretty sure they are letting in more than 10 people. I don't want this to turn into a big argument or a political thing, but I can't help but notice how SOOOOO many things are inconsistent through this whole COVID thing. The Casino can be open and somehow let in hundreds or maybe even thousands at a time and that is determined to be safe, but somehow having 11 people in your personal house is not safe. I have trouble buying into this.

Carry on..
 

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If you scheduled the 2nd shot for March 31st - don't you have to wait a little while longer before everything "kicks in"? Might be best to do end of April game to be safe?
 

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If you scheduled the 2nd shot for March 31st - don't you have to wait a little while longer before everything "kicks in"? Might be best to do end of April game to be safe?
Just googled this and got this:
Your body should start to develop some immunity 12 to 14 days after the first vaccine, but the clinical trials and data show that you won't hit the 90% to 95.6% protection range against the virus until a week or more after your second Moderna or Pfizer vaccine

He is hosting the 2nd Sat in April which is April 10 which is 11 days after his 2nd vaccination. How anyone can argue that he should be waiting even longer does not make any sense to me. It is just my opinion and obviously you have yours but it seems to me after doing 10 seconds of research on this that he is being very responsible.
 

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Just googled this and got this:
Your body should start to develop some immunity 12 to 14 days after the first vaccine, but the clinical trials and data show that you won't hit the 90% to 95.6% protection range against the virus until a week or more after your second Moderna or Pfizer vaccine

He is hosting the 2nd Sat in April which is April 10 which is 11 days after his 2nd vaccination. How anyone can argue that he should be waiting even longer does not make any sense to me. It is just my opinion and obviously you have yours but it seems to me after doing 10 seconds of research on this that he is being very responsible.
Ok you win buddy! I thought it was 2 full weeks after the second shot, but obviously we should follow the science.
 

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I wasn't reprimanding him, I was literally just asking the question myself. But yes, googling this would have been easier.
 

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I wasn't reprimanding him, I was literally just asking the question myself. But yes, googling this would have been easier.
& I am not saying you were or even that you would be wrong to wait longer if that made you feel better to have a game in your place. Like I said, I don't want this to turn into a big I'm right and you are wrong thing.

Both my parents and my wife's parents are in their mid 80's and both have been vaccinated now. All four of them have been very careful, as they should at their age. I am sure that it isn't this way everywhere yet, but everyone that I know that is in any sort of high risk category has now been vaccinated. Once everyone that is at risk has been vaccinated then shouldn't we be able to carry on with life?

If not, then why not?
I try in general to try and see both sides of arguments or differences of opinion, but I am struggling to see the harm of returning to life once everyone that is at risk has either been vaccinated or has had the opportunity to be vaccinated.
 

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Maryland live, Mgm and the horseshoe are all open. I have only been to the horseshoe and it was a miserable experience. Plastic dividers so u can barely see the cards and can’t really talk to anyone. No food or drink service. No wonder home games are popping up all over the place. Notwithstanding all that, this was a nice pot......
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Maryland live, Mgm and the horseshoe are all open. I have only been to the horseshoe and it was a miserable experience. Plastic dividers so u can barely see the cards and can’t really talk to anyone. No food or drink service. No wonder home games are popping up all over the place. Notwithstanding all that, this was a nice pot......
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Jesus - sick hand, what game/stakes were you playing??
 

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Congrats on getting the vax! What game are u hosting?
Its a very social $20 buy in and rebuy hold 'em tourney, followed by $.25/$.50 dealers choice cash game. Waaaayyyy below your games! We've got some good players and some bad players. We play by the rules, but most people are there for the beer and bourbon.

I have a feeling that since its been so long since everyone played, people are going to be jamming left and right. I'm thinking about going with @Josh Kifer's jam fest format so everyone gets it out of their system in the first level.
 

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Its a very social $20 buy in and rebuy hold 'em tourney, followed by $.25/$.50 dealers choice cash game. Waaaayyyy below your games! We've got some good players and some bad players. We play by the rules, but most people are there for the beer and bourbon.

I have a feeling that since its been so long since everyone played, people are going to be jamming left and right. I'm thinking about going with @Josh Kifer's jam fest format so everyone gets it out of their system in the first level.
JAMFEST 2021.
 

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I can't help but notice how SOOOOO many things are inconsistent through this whole COVID thing. The Casino can be open and somehow let in hundreds or maybe even thousands at a time and that is determined to be safe, but somehow having 11 people in your personal house is not safe. I have trouble buying into this.

Carry on..

I was thinking the same exact thing.
In NE we had our restrictions on how many could gather in your home lifted way back in May, haven't had any restrictions since.

I think at this point our bars and restaurants don't have any restrictions either, haven't for quite some time.

Carry on..
 

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"“There’s some data to suggest that, if you’re vaccinated, you can still be an infectious carrier"
Ok, so lets assume for arguments sake that this is true....
Going back to my original statement which was "Once everyone that is at risk has been vaccinated then shouldn't we be able to carry on with life?"
Unless I am not understanding something, the whole reason we are doing all this is for the people that are at risk, right? Well, then isn't it logical that once the people that "were" at risk are now no longer at risk (they have now been vaccinated) we would no longer have the need to continue with all the precautions etc?
 

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Its a very social $20 buy in and rebuy hold 'em tourney, followed by $.25/$.50 dealers choice cash game. Waaaayyyy below your games! We've got some good players and some bad players. We play by the rules, but most people are there for the beer and bourbon.

I have a feeling that since its been so long since everyone played, people are going to be jamming left and right. I'm thinking about going with @Josh Kifer's jam fest format so everyone gets it out of their system in the first level.
Nice! I play all levels of poker, but I need more than 2 cards in my hand. 4 is good, 5 is better. Hi lo is better than hi only.........mixed game - 2 rounds of big o and 2 rounds of plo is an awesome night.
 

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Well, then isn't it logical that once the people that "were" at risk are now no longer at risk (they have now been vaccinated) we would no longer have the need to continue with all the precautions etc?

Right, once we've reached the threshold for herd immunity, which still requires most of the population (not just high risk) to be vaccinated. You just start with the high risk people because they are most likely to die. And nothing is ever 100% effective, people will still get infected and some will die, just hopefully in much smaller % numbers.
 

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I will say that the home games in the Maryland area have exploded. There are games running every night of the week.
I just got my second vax shot last Saturday .......
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Ok, so lets assume for arguments sake that this is true....
Going back to my original statement which was "Once everyone that is at risk has been vaccinated then shouldn't we be able to carry on with life?"
Unless I am not understanding something, the whole reason we are doing all this is for the people that are at risk, right? Well, then isn't it logical that once the people that "were" at risk are now no longer at risk (they have now been vaccinated) we would no longer have the need to continue with all the precautions etc?

How do you define "at risk"? What about the estimated almost 20% of people who develop myocarditis? I'm personally in agreement that we have to be largely herd immune to go back to anything resembling normal, but ymmv.

"So far, the largest study to examine the association between cardiac involvement and COVID-19 was performed at the index epicenter in China. 3 From a cohort of 416 patients at the Renmin Hospital of Wuhan University, 82 patients (19.7%) had cardiac injury"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589790X20300640
 

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Longflop, you are doing it right! Good job, and congrats to getting in and getting your shots. Here's to hoping that your game goes well and your thread stays on the rails....I would bet the over on the first, but the under on the second.

I am fully vaccinated, but have been waiting for the rest of my family to get their shots too before I partake in live cards.
 

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That place is open & I am pretty sure they are letting in more than 10 people. I don't want this to turn into a big argument or a political thing, but I can't help but notice how SOOOOO many things are inconsistent through this whole COVID thing. The Casino can be open and somehow let in hundreds or maybe even thousands at a time and that is determined to be safe, but somehow having 11 people in your personal house is not safe.

We live in the same state, we know Canterbury Park is open while the Governor has a mandate against more than two households gathering in a private residence. (Which honestly has me the most concerned about hosting.)

I mean yes they are doing six handed with the plex and an overall capacity limit, but still.

I mean I imagine I will be offered the vax in 2-3 months, but I hope this will mean the state backs off.
 

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cant wait for the vaccine passport, so that we can go to games and concerts and shop and travel and the non vaxxers cant participate in the new society!
they will all be locked down or at the very least still have to wear a star on their chest/ errr ahhh a mask on their face signaling to us all who the unclean are!

shots! shots! shots! gooooo shots!
 

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How do you define "at risk"?
I don't really know as I am not an expert. I do believe that older people and people with other chronic diseases/illnesses and particularly respiratory issues are more likely to die then otherwise healthy people. It seems to me that we can not prevent everyone from dying. Everyone eventually gets old and dies from something. I know that if I didn't drive a car that would drastically reduce my odds of dying in a car crash, yet I still drive my car just about daily......

What about the estimated almost 20% of people who develop myocarditis? I'm personally in agreement that we have to be largely herd immune to go back to anything resembling normal, but ymmv.
Since I have never even heard of this condition I had to look it up. What I found sounds scary, but is it really all that bad? Honestly, once again I am not an expert but it sounds like most of the time people recover and there are no lasting effects. It sounds like in severe cases it is possible that there are lasting effects. I have not done enough research to know if severe cases and lasting effects are in 50% of the people or in .00000001% of the people.


We live in the same state, we know Canterbury Park is open while the Governor has a mandate against more than two households gathering in a private residence. (Which honestly has me the most concerned about hosting.)

I mean yes they are doing six handed with the plex and an overall capacity limit, but still.

I mean I imagine I will be offered the vax in 2-3 months, but I hope this will mean the state backs off.
I actually went to Canterbury yesterday and played for the 1st time in a yr. They check your temp before you are allowed in, masks are mandatory and there is plexi in between all the seats and the dealers etc & 6 max. They also have someone going around and cleaning the plexi and the rail after each player gets up and before the next one sits down. According to them, not one case of COVID 19 has been attributed to the Card Room.

There were something like 15 tables running and most everyone was acting as if it was business as usual.
 
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