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It's possible that whatever phone was used is automatically applying filters in the background to adjust for dynamic enhancements and black levels and stuff. Just because Ben didn't specifically apply a filter doesn't mean his software didn't.
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The difference here is pretty stark... While I believe you when you say that the lefthand image is purely natural light, I can’t say that I’ve ever taken a photo of any of the several thousand chips I’ve sold where such a gigantic difference could be explained by lighting alone. At least not with a decent camera.

And I usually take my pics in natural light, in my kitchen, on a white countertop under a 10' tall giant picture window...

Idea: A PCF mat (like the one I also have, used in your lefthand photo) with a narrow b&w/color scale built into it.

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My phone takes pictures in white balance auto, which I'm guessing reduces yellow lighting/darkness? The pictures were taken in very bright sunlight. No saturation changes were made.

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Ah, yes, but the software (the camera app - or perhaps even a dedicated hardware chip) might be doing some shenanigans. For example, it's possible that Samsung's default camera app (or even a 3rd party one you might be using) takes multiple pictures, and combines them for best dynamic contrast (ie faux HDR). I know that Google Pixel phones use a specialized camera app that performs all sorts of software trickery.

The resulting file looks normal, but has been enhanced by the underlying app.
 

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Ah, yes, but the software (the camera app - or perhaps even a dedicated hardware chip) might be doing some shenanigans. For example, it's possible that Samsung's default camera app (or even a 3rd party one you might be using) takes multiple pictures, and combines them for best dynamic contrast (ie faux HDR). I know that Google Pixel phones use a specialized camera app that performs all sorts of software trickery.

The resulting file looks normal, but has been enhanced by the underlying app.
I dont have any underlying apps, my phone is the cheapest hundred dollar smart phone from walmart lol it's not even a current model. It barely has enough storage space to run itself
 

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I dont have any underlying apps, my phone is the cheapest hundred dollar smart phone from walmart lol it's not even a current model. It barely has enough storage space to run itself
Hah, Samsung phones do some tricks with the camera to push as much out of it is possible; you've got the Samsung Galaxy J7, so the camera can do some faux HDR. I am surprised, though; the above pictures are pretty damn vibrant for that level of phone. Kudos to you for some awesome photo skills there, Brie!
 

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Hah, Samsung phones do some tricks with the camera to push as much out of it is possible; you've got the Samsung Galaxy J7, so the camera can do some faux HDR. I am surprised, though; the above pictures are pretty damn vibrant for that level of phone. Kudos to you for some awesome photo skills there, Brie!
Lol it usually takes close to an hour and 25 tries to get the right picture, most of the time they come out blurry. It's frustrating. I have an old basic camera as well that does a decent job
 

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The difference here is pretty stark... While I believe you when you say that the lefthand image is purely natural light, I can’t say that I’ve ever taken a photo of any of the several thousand chips I’ve sold where such a gigantic difference could be explained by lighting alone. At least not with a decent camera.

And I usually take my pics in natural light, in my kitchen, on a white countertop under a 10' tall giant picture window...

Idea: A PCF mat (like the one I also have, used in your lefthand photo) with a narrow b&w/color scale built into it.

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As with everything in this hobby I post actual facts. I have no control over how a camera decides to record a picture... I don't even know how to change any saturation stuff. I use a crappy old galaxy S7, it is a company phone... I open the camera and take a picture. Sure maybe it changes that to whatever it wants, no idea. But a Liar I absolutely am not!

This one was taken by me on my crappy phone
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And this one.
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No fancy high tech crap, just the right picture at the right time of day, with the right amount of light coming in the window. I assure you neither of us ever took any photography classes.
 

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As with everything in this hobby I post actual facts. I have no control over how a camera decides to record a picture... I don't even know how to change any saturation stuff. I use a crappy old galaxy S7, it is a company phone... I open the camera and take a picture. Sure maybe it changes that to whatever it wants, no idea. But a Liar I absolutely am not!
This is exactly my point; to the end user, there's no evidence that any post-production is happening. To us, the image sensor is translating photons to bits 1-to-1. But with our modern phones (even the S7 :)), there could be software and/or hardware adjusting the picture (or even creating a composite/HDR). Because of this, people think that a photo might altered by the photographer, even when it wasn't.

tl;dr - the computers are taking over and adjust our pictures automatically.
 

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Ben, no one said you were lying. I just don’t think supersaturated-by-late-evening-light pics gives a realistic impression of what chips will typically look like *except in that ideal and rare condition.*

Going back to the earlier example of the King’s Castles: I recently had a chance to check out a large collection of these at a friend’s house. We were looking at them indoors in a brightly sunlit, west-facing room around 5 pm. Unless there were batches of these made with totally different base colors, there is no way that many of the supersaturated pics of KCs I’ve seen here are anything but unrealistic, bordering on fantastical. I’d have to try very hard and wait weeks for the right sunset to photograph them that way without manipulation.

By contrast, there are chips which are naturally hot/saturated. An example is the Jack Detroit 1K Secondaries… You can take duller pics of these, but it takes work to undersell their “pop.” Here is a pic of JD1Kses in shadow, zero direct light (iPhone 12, unmanipulated by me). This is much duller than average, yet still pretty saturated:

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My sense is that some sellers do try to make more ordinary base colors look like the very hottest shades in the Paulson library.
 
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Same chips outdoor in sunlight, 5:30 pm. This pic makes them actually look more pumpkin orange, and less “radiant.”

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Zero edits to either of these. Exact same photo. One uploaded directly to the forum and one uploaded with imgur

Edit: I'd say the 5s and 25s look closer to real life in the 2nd pic, but those hot pinks really look insane in the 2nd pic compared to real life and not sure why. The first pic doesn't do the hot pinks justice either though. One of those tough colors like blaze.

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Are those 50c chips Hot Pink base color? I just took this pic, and the Hot Pink is much more vibrant pre-upload.

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Yep. Perfect timing as I had already added to my post :tup:

There are many shades of hot pink in the longhorns though. Mine definitely run pretty hot compared to my color sample
 

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Zero edits to either of these. Exact same photo. One uploaded directly to the forum and one uploaded with imgur

Edit: I'd say the 5s and 25s look closer to real life in the 2nd pic, but those hot pinks really look insane in the 2nd pic compared to real life and not sure why. The first pic doesn't do the hot pinks justice either though. One of those tough colors like blaze.

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Can you remind me how you link? Are you hitting the image photo icon and then hitting the link icon and dropping the URL or are you using a basic html code?
 
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