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messed up the title.. dont know how to fix it haha

Getting a ceramic tourney set.. can get up to a medium flat rate amount (do they even still do that anymore?)
Want to provide deep stacks up to 16-18 players. Im thinking T20,000 to start with about 5-6 hours of play with unlimited rebuys up to first hour/break

Here is what I am thinking. 800 chips total with 15 plaques.

200x25 - 5,000
240x100 - 24,000
160x500 -80,000
120x1000 -120,000
80x5000 - 400,000
15 (plaques)x25000 - 375,000


=1,004,000

18 playersx20k - 360k

This seems like overkill with such a large bank... maybe 600 chips I could do with?
This thread is not so much about levels etc... but more about getting proper denomination amounts etc


Thanks.
 
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What kind of chips are we talking about? 800 in a MFRB will *probably* be pushing it if you want sufficient packaging/padding. JMHO.
 

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Hey Spike, this is what I would do:

For 20 x 20K: 12/12/5/6/2

240 x T25
240 x T100
120 x T500
140 x T1000
60 x T5000
15 x T25000 Plaques

Color up and re-buys with additional T500, T1000 and T5000.

I have received 800 in a FRMB but it could be risky... I would do it for ceramics to be honest with you...
 

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Hey Spike, this is what I would do:

For 20 x 20K: 12/12/5/6/2

240 x T25
240 x T100
120 x T500
140 x T1000
60 x T5000
15 x T25000 Plaques

Color up and re-buys with additional T500, T1000 and T5000.

I have received 800 in a FRMB but it could be risky... I would do it for ceramics to be honest with you...

I like this breakdown. As for shipping, a LFRB is probably a better bet for that many chips.
 

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For 18 players with T20K starting stacks and re-buys, I'd probably go with this set breakdown:

T20K stack:
12 x T25
12 x T100
3 x T500
7 x T1000
2 x T5000
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40 chips

chip set:
220 x T25 (includes 4 extras)
220 x T100 (includes 4 extras)
60 x T500 (includes 4 extras)
160 x T1000 (includes 27x for exchanging T25/T100 chips plus 7 extras)
120 x T5000 (includes 6x for exchanging T500 chips, 72x for 18 re-buys, and 6 extras)
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780 total chips

The maximum number of T25K plaques that will ever get used is 7 (when used to exchange T1000 chips). However, this will actually happen rarely, as most 18-player six-hour tournament structures will still have T1000 chips in play (needed for blinds) when the event ends. As with most conventional tournament sets, the T100 and T1000 chips are the workhorses. In essence, buying more than seven T25K plaques is a waste of money, and it could be argued that buying ANY could be money better spent elsewhere.


If really set on using high-denomination plaques, you might consider this slightly less-conventional but more efficient breakdown;

T20K stack:
12 x T25
12 x T100
9 x T500
7 x T2000
----------
42 chips

chip set:
220 x T25 (includes 4 extras)
220 x T100 (includes 4 extras)
165 x T500 (includes 3 extras)
145 x T2000 (includes 14x for exchanging T25/T100 chips plus 5 extras)
50 x T10000 plaques (includes 9x for exchanging T500 chips, 36x for 18 re-buys, and 5 extras)
----------
750 chips and 50 plaques

Again, you probably won't use those 9 plaques for color-ups (you will still need T500 chips in play), but the T10K plaques will see table time as re-buys are purchased (their inclusion in the set also allows starting stacks up to T40K for 18 players, or up to T80K stacks for single-table tournaments).


Regarding shipping from PGI in Florida to Canada, a USPS International Priority Mail Medium Flat Rate Box is restricted to 20 lbs. (packed properly, 800 chips is reasonably safe). PGI's 39mm ceramic chips weigh in at 10g each, and their credit-card-sized plaques (98mm x 53mm) weigh 40g each. Total ceramic weight (750 chips plus 50 plaques) is about 21 lbs., and doesn't include wrapping, packing, chip boxes, or the shipping box itself -- so the total weight of the order will exceed what can be shipping internationally in a single Medium or Large FRB. You may want to check with PGI regarding their shipping options for international deliveries -- they may not use USPS, and require UPS or another bonded carrier.

Btw, if you are planning on using a larger-size plaque from a different vendor, those weigh anywhere from 60 to 100 grams each.
 
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Hey Spike, what were you trying to say with the title? I can update it for you.
 

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I just sent a set of 600 chips in a medium FRB. The chips were in chip boxes. Although there was a rack of oversized ceramics in there and a few dealer buttons, I wouldn't have wanted to try and get two more racks of chips in the box. No way.
 

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I just sent a set of 600 chips in a medium FRB. The chips were in chip boxes. Although there was a rack of oversized ceramics in there and a few dealer buttons, I wouldn't have wanted to try and get two more racks of chips in the box. No way.
When I received my Yaks (1200), it was 600 / MFRB. The chips were in racks and boxed, though, and wouldn't hold more. So it depends on a few things.

Personally. I think 600 chips is a good limit for an MFRB, and LFRB is better for larger orders, provided the weight is ok.
 

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not sure where the plaques would be coming from. I was checking out OW and they have some large ones for about 6 bucks each. May just go with PGI if they are same prices and save the shipping from two different locations. Although I would LOVE to have some nice big plastic type plaques. or whatever that material is thats used in casino royale? (plastic of some sort?)

EDIT.. I am also not set on plaques. May just do an oversize ceramic chip for the large denom. Actually I WILL probably do this lol
 
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On point as always!!

* Not that it matters but the starting stack you're suggesting is of 36 chips not 40... Reason it caught my eye is that I love 40 chip starting stacks!

For 18 players with T20K starting stacks and re-buys, I'd probably go with this set breakdown:

T20K stack:
12 x T25
12 x T100
3 x T500
7 x T1000
2 x T5000
----------
40 chips

chip set:
220 x T25 (includes 4 extras)
220 x T100 (includes 4 extras)
60 x T500 (includes 4 extras)
160 x T1000 (includes 27x for exchanging T25/T100 chips plus 7 extras)
120 x T5000 (includes 6x for exchanging T500 chips, 72x for 18 re-buys, and 6 extras)
----------
780 total chips

The maximum number of T25K plaques that will ever get used is 7 (when used to exchange T1000 chips). However, this will actually happen rarely, as most 18-player six-hour tournament structures will still have T1000 chips in play (needed for blinds) when the event ends. As with most conventional tournament sets, the T100 and T1000 chips are the workhorses. In essence, buying more than seven T25K plaques is a waste of money, and it could be argued that buying ANY could be money better spent elsewhere.


If really set on using high-denomination plaques, you might consider this slightly less-conventional but more efficient breakdown;

T20K stack:
12 x T25
12 x T100
9 x T500
7 x T2000
----------
42 chips

chip set:
220 x T25 (includes 4 extras)
220 x T100 (includes 4 extras)
165 x T500 (includes 3 extras)
145 x T2000 (includes 14x for exchanging T25/T100 chips plus 5 extras)
50 x T10000 plaques (includes 9x for exchanging T500 chips, 36x for 18 re-buys, and 5 extras)
----------
750 chips and 50 plaques

Again, you probably won't use those 9 plaques for color-ups (you will still need T500 chips in play), but the T10K plaques will see table time as re-buys are purchased (their inclusion in the set also allows starting stacks up to T40K for 18 players, or up to T80K stacks for single-table tournaments).


Regarding shipping from PGI in Florida to Canada, a USPS International Priority Mail Medium Flat Rate Box is restricted to 20 lbs. (packed properly, 800 chips is reasonably safe). PGI's 39mm ceramic chips weigh in at 10g each, and their credit-card-sized plaques (98mm x 53mm) weigh 40g each. Total ceramic weight (750 chips plus 50 plaques) is about 21 lbs., and doesn't include wrapping, packing, chip boxes, or the shipping box itself -- so the total weight of the order will exceed what can be shipping internationally in a single Medium or Large FRB. You may want to check with PGI regarding their shipping options for international deliveries -- they may not use USPS, and require UPS or another bonded carrier.

Btw, if you are planning on using a larger-size plaque from a different vendor, those weigh anywhere from 60 to 100 grams each.
 

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On point as always!!

* Not that it matters but the starting stack you're suggesting is of 36 chips not 40... Reason it caught my eye is that I love 40 chip starting stacks!

I do too, and of course it matters..... Puzzled, I took another look. I was using 4x 5000 chips on a separate line to calculate the re-buy chips needed, and didn't subtract them from the starting stack total. Mystery solved! So 40 chips per player, you just don't get them all at the same time. :eek:
 

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thanks everyone involved. I always like to run the numbers by everyone before committing. Tourney set up is not my strong point.

I think I have a solid lock in with BGs first breakdown using 40 chips per player to start. Just have to see where I can get the 43mm ceramic T5000's. I know OWPS does them but obviously so does PGI. Getting the set from PGI so makes sense to just get them from there as well
 

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thanks everyone involved. I always like to run the numbers by everyone before committing. Tourney set up is not my strong point.

I think I have a solid lock in with BGs first breakdown using 40 chips per player to start. Just have to see where I can get the 43mm ceramic T5000's. I know OWPS does them but obviously so does PGI. Getting the set from PGI so makes sense to just get them from there as well

Dunno why getting them from PGI makes any more sense that getting them from OWPS. Both are chip site sponsors and are great to work with, but OWPS has more plaque sizes/types, 60mm dealer buttons, oversize ceramics (43mm, 46mm, and octagon), and offers significant pricing discounts for forum members. Given my experience with both companies, shipping is very likely cheaper as well.
 
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