Tough one: whether to write to friend from years ago in prison for awful crime (1 Viewer)

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I was catching up with a friend from college a few weeks ago and he asked if I'd heard about David (name changed as his actual first name is pretty unique). I hadn't, but I knew immediately it wasn't going to be good. I googled and found that David had been convicted about four years ago for possession and distribution of child pornography.

It's weird to say that as dismaying as it was I wasn't totally shocked. If you had put a gun to my head and told me to name the one person among all my friends I'd think is most likely to have this particular mental defect, David would have probably been a contender. His lack of mental acuity is apparent in most any exchange. He was never a successful student nor was he successful professionally after he dropped out of college. From what I know he wasn't close to his family and he was never particularly financially stable. I wouldn't be surprised if upon testing his IQ were discovered to be well below average.

On the other hand, I always thought he was a good person. He was kind and funny and we shared an interest in a particular subgenre of music that not too many people followed, so we took periodic day trips to small venues around the southeast. We stayed in touch lightly after I graduated and left Auburn, but when I made the move to New Jersey we pretty much lost all contact.

There was a published decision in Federal court regarding his appeal, so I know more of the facts than I would otherwise. He was temping at a job and evidently downloaded or viewed some images on a shared computer that someone else at the office later found. The office manager called the police who called the FBI who figured out that the images were accessed at the same time as some of David's personal accounts. The FBI later seized his personal computers and hard drives from his home and found hundreds of saved images and a about a dozen saved videos. He was sentenced to 12 years and his sentenced was reduced on appeal to 9 years. His current release date is July 2021. Of course he is also obligated to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.

Sexual abuse of anyone - adult or child - is one of the very few acts that would allow me to personally pull the trigger on someone and feel virtually no guilt, so I don't take his crime lightly. But I've written to him and now I'm a bit torn as to whether to send the letter I wrote.

Not to sound too grandiose, but I think we have an obligation to show people who have been locked up that there is a world out here waiting for them. It doesn't do us any good as a society to put people away and do nothing to help them turn things around upon release. I think it's also my religious upbringing that makes me want to reach out to him. My parents were involved in a prison outreach program when I was younger. I heard a lot about it and I suppose it made an impression on me.

Anyway...thoughts?
 
Friendship is friendship. In my opinion, all deserve a chance to be forgiven and move on. Would i invite him over for dinner, perhaps not, but we all have our faults.
 
Although I agree with bivey, I tend to avoid things that could automatically bring baggage to my life in any way
 
Yes, there is a world outside of prison. He can start anew without you. You've lost touch with him and you probably wouldn't have thought of him in another couple years had your buddy not shared the news.

Move on, trash the letter. You're still a good person if you don't invite the drama to your life. You also avoid being an attachment point. Let him serve his time, he may be a significantly changed person by the time he gets out, and you may not want anything to do with him. Stay forgotten.
 
I consider the compulsion towards child pornography to be a mental disorder. There's a huge stigma associated with this type of crime given the fact that children are involved, as well there should be, but I believe it should be treated as a disease. Something within David's brain is causing him to be turned on by that, just like some people get their rocks off being pissed on. Therefore, I believe he is entitled to seek rehabilitation and some sort of normalcy after serving his due time.

That being said, you don't need to do this outreach to assuage any feelings that you must extend a hand to the downtrodden. You haven't kept up with him for a reason. Trash the letter and move on brother.
 
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I agree with H|Q. The fact that you had no idea he was in prison, and that you had not really spoken with him in years makes me question the level of friendship...Id maybe categorize as more of an acquaintance from your past

You can have empathy for prisoners, without carrying guilt for not writing to this particular prisoner. You should also consider what happens if he wants to communicate regularly. Is that something you want to invite into your life?
 
I am on the let him go bandwagon.

I am also torn about the crime and punishment. I completely agree that consuming child pornography, especially if paying for it, only serves to drive those who make it, which endangers children. On the other hand, if he is just downloading stuff that is already out there to keep him from acting on his attraction to children, it seems that 9 years in prison is a very big sentence for someone doing their best to cope with a condition that is likely out of their control.

I agree we need to protect children. I am not saying anything otherwise. But 9 years for a hand full of internet downloads seems crazy to me. If he were producing or distributing, that seems like a more reasonable sentence. Did he have any prior convictions?
 
I agree we need to protect children. I am not saying anything otherwise. But 9 years for a hand full of internet downloads seems crazy to me. If he were producing or distributing, that seems like a more reasonable sentence. Did he have any prior convictions?

He had a prior conviction for possession of marijuana, but nothing related to the current offense.

He was using BitTorrent to download the material, so by the default nature of BitTorrent, he was also distributing under the strict interpretation of the law (not directed at Chicken obviously, but if you're not familiar with BitTorrent, the default setting is that a user simultaneously downloads material and makes that material available for download from his device).
 
I see both sides , but I'm also leaning you not sending the letter ...
Time has passed, prison can change people.
Would you or your family be OK with him 'showing up at your door' for unannounced visits as his only friend when he gets out ...
Tough call ..
 
I am on the let him go bandwagon.

I am also torn about the crime and punishment. I completely agree that consuming child pornography, especially if paying for it, only serves to drive those who make it, which endangers children. On the other hand, if he is just downloading stuff that is already out there to keep him from acting on his attraction to children, it seems that 9 years in prison is a very big sentence for someone doing their best to cope with a condition that is likely out of their control.

I agree we need to protect children. I am not saying anything otherwise. But 9 years for a hand full of internet downloads seems crazy to me. If he were producing or distributing, that seems like a more reasonable sentence. Did he have any prior convictions?

You don't ever want to find yourself the target of federal prosecutors. Ever.
 
Definitely what HQ said. It's hard to admit sometimes, but people stop being friends. Considering you knew him while you were at school, and that's the point in time when you have the most friends, I'd say that he is a former friend at the acquaintance level this point. It is kind of odd to think back how many friends I had when I was in school and immediately after while I was single. Now married, with children, I just keep one or two close friends but many more acquaintances. Time has passed you both by at this point. No harm done if you don't reach out.
 
You don't ever want to find yourself the target of federal prosecutors. Ever.
This, especially given your profession. Someone that I play hockey with made a comment a few weeks ago about associating with bad people, he didn't go into details but said that his life got turned upside down for a little bit because of an associate. I can draw a parallel here and say that if he ever is investigated again your association with him might bring you under the microscope.

That's not to say that I can't appreciate your desire to reach out to an old friend and respect that prison might have reformed the individual. I just don't think the satisfaction that sending the letter will outweigh any potential issues that it might bring later on in life. Maybe you could look into some other form of charity work to help struggling individuals, I know you do some charity work but maybe you could find something that draws closer to this, i.e. mental health or counseling of former inmates like your parents did.
 
This is tough, but for me at least if it were a very close friend that this suddenly happened to, I would probably try to keep in contact with him, get him help if possible ect. But seeing that he was in prison for 4 years and you didn't even know about it, that doesn't seem to be the case. If this were me in this situation I would ditch the letter and move on with my life. If it weren't such a heinous crime I would send the letter, but I draw the line with child pornography.
 
You don't ever want to find yourself the target of federal prosecutors. Ever.

you are not the first person to give me that advice. And I totally agree. Staying away from any activity that could foreseeably put me in the crosshairs of a federal prosecutor has been an easy call in my life.

For example, I don't ever look at kiddie porn, traffic narcotics, counterfeit currency, etc.
 
I'm also in the don't send camp. People change, and "David" may simply not be someone you would call a friend if you met him for the first time today. Certainly, if you knew he was into kiddie-porn back then, I suspect you would have distanced yourself from him (after a jbutler-level chiding).

Reaching out to him in prison is unlikely to change anything in his life. Activities vary depending on the prison system he is in, but most prisons actually try to develop skills or hobbies for prisoners that they can later use to rebuild their life on the outside. We think of prison as punishment, but it is actually about rehabilitation. Trying to change the behavior of the individual incarcerated. I doubt that a voice from his past will contribute to his correctional path.

As many others have noted, we have more friends in college than we do as adults. It's all about proximity and shared experiences. As we get older, our priorities change. There is likely nothing that the two of you would still have in common. Don't send the letter pretending that you do.
 
One of the benefits of coming to a thread late in the game is usually someone else has already said what you want to say. But I'll add, ask yourself why do you have the urge to reach out? Is it a desire for a "project"? Do you feel bad for his mental state? Clearly it's not a deep personal relationship given all the years that have gone by with no contact or even concern for his whereabouts. That's not a knock on you BTW, people come and go in life all the time.

Your profession also comes into play here ... he's getting out of prison saddled with a really nasty criminal record and probably tons of debt. He's going to need legal help and lots of it just to function in life. Don't think for a minute that even if you somehow salvage what is clearly a faded relationship that he won't be seeing you as free legal help first and foremost. I'd be worried about being a means to an end.
 
Echoing what most others have said, don't send the letter. Rape, Child Porn and pre meditated murder are probably the worst crimes IMO and deserve the death penalty!

Would forget and move on buddy!
 
One of the benefits of coming to a thread late in the game is usually someone else has already said what you want to say. But I'll add, ask yourself why do you have the urge to reach out? Is it a desire for a "project"? Do you feel bad for his mental state? Clearly it's not a deep personal relationship given all the years that have gone by with no contact or even concern for his whereabouts. That's not a knock on you BTW, people come and go in life all the time.

Your profession also comes into play here ... he's getting out of prison saddled with a really nasty criminal record and probably tons of debt. He's going to need legal help and lots of it just to function in life. Don't think for a minute that even if you somehow salvage what is clearly a faded relationship that he won't be seeing you as free legal help first and foremost. I'd be worried about being a means to an end.

Only quoting DJ Mack because he's the most recent one to express similar thoughts and pose similar questions, all of which are appreciated. I hadn't been too self-reflective as to why I felt compelled to write to him.

I suppose if I think about it it's because I think I've been very fortunate in life and it makes me want to do things for those who haven't. I mean don't get me wrong - I'm not living the high life with no worries, but I think of it more in terms of how Phil Galfond described the success of early nosebleed online players: they got luck to not get unlucky. That's sort of how I feel. I did plenty of stuff that could have landed me in a lot of trouble and thankfully I lived through it all in blissful ignorance to only later in life think, "Wow, that could have gone really badly."

My profession is relevant, but not in a negative way imo. I would be glad to give him all the free advice he might want. Unfortunately, at least in this area, a very specialized field, he would get what he paid for. I know nothing about defending against charges like these and the types of experts needed to mount a successful defense or mitigation presentation (a mitigation presentation essentially being when you say, "Yeah my client is a bag of shit, but this is why he's a bag of shit and therefore you should throw only part of the book at him.").

I'm not a really generous person with my time. I certainly could do much, much more. So this isn't something that I view as a charity case. I just look at it as someone should be stepping up to keep in contact with people in his situation and so far as I can tell from speaking to others who knew him, no one is. So why not me?

Well, lots of reasons as pointed out above, obviously: I have no obligation to do anything; he could have turned into a nutjob since I last saw him; he could turn out to be a nightmare in the future when he gets out. I guess I'm still weighing whether those outweigh what is undoubtedly the right thing, which is to do something to guarantee that this guy isn't in there alone with no contact with the outside.

But I do genuinely appreciate the comments. They're giving me pause whereas I had previously leaned very heavily toward sending. I have the letter all stamped and ready to go and I'm glad to do some further thinking before dropping it in the mail.

Echoing what most others have said, don't send the letter. Rape, Child Porn and pre meditated murder are probably the worst crimes IMO and deserve the death penalty!

Would forget and move on buddy!

Thanks for the thoughts, but imo viewing that material is quite a bit far removed from actually committing acts of sex abuse oneself. As I learned from reading the opinion on the appeal of his sentence, there is a ton of research attempting to determine which offenders are least and most at risk for making actual contact with a child. I don't want to completely derail the thread so I won't comment on the death penalty anymore than to say that I disagree.

I know this is all disgusting to think about, so apologies for even putting it in everyone's mind with this thread. Ultimately, I agree with @MegaTon44 that this sort of thing is a mental disorder to be treated. But still in my mind that doesn't mean that reasonable treatment wouldn't mean something extreme like chemical castration or the like.
 
Although I firmly believe that individually and as a society redemption should be available to all, perhaps even Donald Trump, I'd let this go. Too many potential complications and the relationship could remain quite one-sided.
 
I admire that you are willing to reach out to someone who most feel to have committed an irredeemable act. I tend to be pretty risk-averse, so would probably echo others' warnings against becoming too involved - particularly in light of your profession and perceived expertise in terms of legal matters.

That said, I know you are very thoughtful and often have good advice for others. Depending on the content of your letter, and how strongly you feel about offering some assistance to this person, would there be any value to sending your letter anonymously?
 
Thanks for the thoughts, but imo viewing that material is quite a bit far removed from actually committing acts of sex abuse oneself. As I learned from reading the opinion on the appeal of his sentence, there is a ton of research attempting to determine which offenders are least and most at risk for making actual contact with a child.

It's been a while since I read anything on the topic, but as I recall, the reasoning behind the penalties for possessing and viewing these materials focused entirely on the minor victims involved in the creation of the materials, and not on any sort of deterrence of future criminal behavior, right?
And I agree with you - I see viewing as very different, and although I understand and appreciate the reasoning behind the penalties, there's a big part of me that sees people imprisoned for viewing-only as victims.
 
It's been a while since I read anything on the topic, but as I recall, the reasoning behind the penalties for possessing and viewing these materials focused entirely on the minor victims involved in the creation of the materials, and not on any sort of deterrence of future criminal behavior, right?

I don't know the factors that go into computation of the initial sentence prior to consideration of mitigating or aggravating factors, but I know that at least in this case the opinion was pretty thorough in its review of the psychiatrist's report that the defendant was at very low risk for actual contact and used that as a mitigating factor to lower his sentence from 12 years to 9 years.

If the opinion is any indication - which I imagine it is since it was published - then likelihood of a contact offense seems to be a substantial consideration since it lowered his sentence by 25%.
 
I'm in a bit of a similar situation; debating whether to reach out to someone who was once closer, and who is now in jail. All the other circumstances differ, but I'm struck with many of the same desires to reach out help (even if only by reaching out), and considering many of the same concerns and risks of consequence if I do.

On the one hand, I respect, admire, and encourage those who do prison outreach. I'm always reminded of the "Rat Park" experiments. Although those experiments were more directly about drug addiction, the message is clear: having a healthy and caring social environment makes falling into bad habits a lot less likely than just sitting in a cell.

The person you described - below average intelligence, distant from family, college drop-out - would have already had a tough struggle in life. Now, when they get out of jail, they'll also have a criminal record and be on a sex offender registry. It's not going to be easier. Despair can drive people into doing things that are even worse mistakes. (This is a more dominant factor in my situation than yours.)

On the other hand, people trying to reset themselves - trying to start a new life - often need to let go of their past and even their present. Would you be an anchor to an unpleasant past? Or, if that past is pleasant... would you just cause them misery at what they'd lost? Would your success just be a reminder, to them, of their failure? Without knowing their state of mind, it's really hard to say whether you'd be helping, or hurting.

All that being said... there are lots of people in his, or similar, situations... but they are people you never knew - and so, people for whom you wouldn't be baggage. Would you be crazy enough to consider getting involved with a prison outreach program to get connected with some unknown felon, to serve as a penpal and social lifeline? You could potentially provide the service to society that your old friend may need, even if you can't provide it to your friend, directly.

I'm not proposing this as a way to assuage guilt about not contacting your friend; I'm considering the perspective that it may, overall, be a better thing for all involved.
 
I am at that age now where I occasionally learn that one of my old college friends had died. Most of the group I hung with back then is still tight and living in Detroit, but when I got out, I more or less lost track.

At first I felt bad that I hadn't contacted the group earlier. Why would it take a permanent loss of one of them before I reached out? But it happened that way. So I tried to reunite with them in the easiest way possible - Facebook.

I soon learned that I (IMO) have moved on, but they really have not. Sure, many of them make bank now because they're top-notch engineers, or lead computer programmers and the like, but in many ways they felt very stagnant. You would think this would be refreshing to hear - that they are the same people I always knew - but it wasn't. Their "quirks" which were so tolerable (even humorous) when I was tight with them were now off-putting. I have no doubt that they found me equally stagnant as my income is only $3 an hour higher after 20 years. My occasionally acrid sence of humor did not seem to always please them as it once had.

Having lost contact with David, you may very well find his same-old off-putting behaviors (not just the ones that got him locked up) intolerable. His sub-par intelligence would increase the likelihood that he's not changed much. If anything, it's gotten worse. "Mistakes" we make as kids (even college age kids) are tolerated by society much more than a full grown adult making the same mistakes. I'm afraid that if you pull back the veil of time and reconnect with him, you risk tainting some of the great memories you've had with him.

Hopefully, he will form new friendships in the pen. People that have to overlook the stigma of being a convict (because they're also in prison) and can form a relationship that may very well hold together when the get outside. While I do not believe in God, many prisoners find a welcoming support group in prison ministries. The welcoming community of a church group will do far more for him than the support of a long-removed friend living in another state. The church group will still be there when he gets out, and may help him straighten out his life - something you were never about to do.

I see little to no benefit in sending the letter, either for him or for you.
 
I did not read all the replies but this one is so very simple for me.

If you are single, do what you want.

Since you are married, Wifey is who you have your conversation with. If she is fine with the potential that he wants to enter your lives after he gets out, then that is up to the two of you.
 

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