Tonkawa Casino Chips (2 Viewers)

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BiGGyT said:
You are only sad because someone paid more than you were willing to pay, not someone scooped them all up because their checkout process was faster than yours.
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Not quite sure who you're addressing but from my perspective that's a leap. I've not seen anyone say they were sad about the price. Price and value are not the same thing. What I and others have said is the current price exceeds how much we value the item, hence we're not buying. That's also capitalism. Trust me, I'm not sad. In fact I'm chuckling a bit knowing how subsequent sales of the same item on eBay tend to go.
 
The 100's may totally be worth it - I bet that in person they are absolutely stunning (they need some better quality photo's to show it though - like the one's Rainman does...).

I'm just glad they are RHC - saved me the $$$!!!
 
BiGGyT said:
They are worth whatever someone is willing to pay. You may not think it, but if 2 or more do, then they set the price. Value is freely determined by those interested, let the market decide the value, this is capitalism. Price controls lead to shortages, this is socialism. You can see this in the first sale, low price and over demand for limited resources. The second sale, limited offering, if you can afford it, or want it bad enough, they are yours. You are only sad because someone paid more than you were willing to pay, not someone scooped them all up because their checkout process was faster than yours.

These are Jim's chips, he can sell them however he wants using whatever method he chooses. Would you want us dictating every sale that happens? Other than basic guidelines, you are free to make offer sales, auction sales, or set price sales. Why should Jim's sales be any different?

SMH,

BiGGyT
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The only people that will get chips at these prices are those with a lot of disposable income. The very wealthy get the good stuff, us peasants are left to make chips out of the muck. That's not not capitalism, that serfdom.

That said, I support Jim's decision to do as he pleases. eBay will fetch him (not the flippers) top dollar. He's the one with the contacts. He's the one who drove across 1/2 a country. Why let some schmoe with a fast internet connection reap his profits.

Future eBay sales will (likely) have lower prices, as the highest bidders get their fill. I suspect Jim will release more racks simultaneously when that happens. If those prices drop low enough, he may dump the rest here because he knows we will devour them at discount prices.

I like these chips. I like a lot of chips. A great number of sets are priced out of my reach, and this looks to be one more. That's fine by me. I'll be happy to see pics. Happier if I get to play on them at a meet-up. Happiest if the price becomes affordable, but they will only happen if I win the lottery, because a limited sized, full-mint set as never going to be "cheap".

Excuse me as I need to get back to shoveling my muck...
 
BiGGyT said:
They are worth whatever someone is willing to pay. You may not think it, but if 2 or more do, then they set the price. Value is freely determined by those interested, let the market decide the value, this is capitalism. Price controls lead to shortages, this is socialism. You can see this in the first sale, low price and over demand for limited resources. The second sale, limited offering, if you can afford it, or want it bad enough, they are yours. You are only sad because someone paid more than you were willing to pay, not someone scooped them all up because their checkout process was faster than yours.

These are Jim's chips, he can sell them however he wants using whatever method he chooses. Would you want us dictating every sale that happens? Other than basic guidelines, you are free to make offer sales, auction sales, or set price sales. Why should Jim's sales be any different?

SMH,

BiGGyT
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I agree but I'm bummed he's not doing things the way he always has. It's unfortunate that a few people complaining ruined the opportunity for someone to build a set at a super low cost. I really liked the Black Friday feel of the chiproom sales! And it was fun to get what you could at reasonable prices and then build the set after the fact. I'm bummed we may not see another sale like that if everyone keeps complaining. Sorry but I don't really care about everyone having an equal week long chance. I thought the equality factor was fine before.
 
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Just LOL at all the crybabies and hypocrites ITT lamenting the price of TCR chips. They are still way below market value, a market most of you caused to blow up and now expect Jim to accommodate with fire sale prices. Buy them or don't. That is all.
 
Yeah, I don't understand the sentiment that the hundos are so overpriced. Just about all of the nice $100s in the classifieds sell for $4/chip, or more -- especially mint chips.

I'm confused. It's just that this time, the cash is going into Jim's pockets, rather than the person who first buys them from Jim. Good for Jim.
 
liftapint said:
Yeah, I don't understand the sentiment that the hundos are so overpriced. Just about all of the nice $100s in the classifieds sell for $4/chip, or more -- especially mint chips.

I'm confused. It's just that this time, the cash is going into Jim's pockets, rather than the person who first buys them from Jim. Good for Jim.
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Quoted to make sure it gets read :)
 
liftapint said:
Yeah, I don't understand the sentiment that the hundos are so overpriced. Just about all of the nice $100s in the classifieds sell for $4/chip, or more -- especially mint chips.

I'm confused. It's just that this time, the cash is going into Jim's pockets, rather than the person who first buys them from Jim. Good for Jim.
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Mint Cincinnati horseshoe secondary 100s can be purchased for 3 $ a chip. But, yes, I do agree that the person who secured the chips should get full value for them.
 
joker80 said:
Mint Cincinnati horseshoe secondary 100s can be purchased for 3 $ a chip. But, yes, I do agree that the person who secured the chips should get full value for them.
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True, but they originally sold for more than that, and the fact that the market is saturated with horseshoe chips has to devalue them a bit.
People are focusing on the $100's because that rack's bid is currently highest, but the other racks will rise significantly. The $1's are sitting at $122 right now - they'll sell for more than twice that.
 
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joker80 said:
Mint Cincinnati horseshoe secondary 100s can be purchased for 3 $ a chip.
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There are likely more than 10x as many CincyHS secondary as there are these as well as five figures worth of ClevelandHS were already out there that weren't too far off from being the exact same chip.

And these are nicer.
 
I feel like it's not too often that mint $1's come to market. I mean people harvest near mint $1's often, but those are generally selling close to $200 a rack (or more for desirable casino's)
Even though we've seen plenty of mint secondary's with the horseshoe sets and others, I haven't seen a lot of mint ones. I bet there's a demand for them that will drive the price.
 
Maybe. But I don’t know what good one rack of $1s is going to do anybody.
 
Typically the $200 almost-mint racks of $1s are from well known strip casinos. Somewhere between lost and nowhere will merit a lesser price.

Still, mint $1s are mint $1s. I see nothing unusual about the first rack bidding prices.
 
GoStumpy said:
Umm, no, he did not say that. He said THESE chips will go on eBay, and he will figure out a way to return to normal chiproom sales on here.
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Umm... really? Let's see what he did say...

From the "Native Lights Casino Primary Chip Sale" thread:

Post 288:
"The limitations were meant to be on each order, not on all orders. Any order that violates the limitations, were always refunded in the past. We will honor the orders in total, but every individual order that violated the limitations, their entire order will not be eligible for the combined shipping discount.

Until we can come up with a better solution, the next sales (Native Lights Secondary and Tonkawa) are going to eBay."


So #1, it's not just THESE chips -- it's the Tonkawa and the NL Secondaries...


Post 297:
"... Now people have figured out a new way to gain an unfair advantage over those who followed the rules, which most of you did. I know the sales can be crazy, exciting and sometimes frustrating, but must remain fair to all my great customers here. I will definitely be selling on my thread here again, but until I can figure something out, I will be using eBay."


Hmm... isn't that what I wrote?

MacGrad said:
Yes -- Jim has said that, until he can figure out a way to avoid another "Native Lights"-style situation, all ChipRoom sales will be on eBay.
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(Can't believe I'm arguing semantics with a guy from BC about chips that I believe neither one of us have any interest in purchasing... ;))
 
Let me try and put the final word up on this.

I try and make the sales as fair as possible for all PCF members. We put up the rules in the beginning of each sale to prevent people (mainly flippers) from purchasing only the rare denominations, only to sell later. I look at this site as a place to move lots of chips for people who love chips, like myself, to use in their own games. I offer below market pricing (I do know what the true market value is) as a way of saying thanks to you for all the years of support. If these discussions about "loopholes" have occurred, I did not see them or I would have revised the rules to address this issue. Also, I have also never noticed this occurrence in the past or it would have been addressed. This is not a loophole, it is a violation. As stated before, if I monitored the orders in real time, all of the violations would have been refunded immediately. In hindsight, this is what I should have done, instead of filling the orders. I do not like sending the auctions to eBay. While making more money is nice, I do not like to sell only a couple hundred chips a week. I am a volume seller. I have reached out to Tommy to see what we can do to try and shore up these issues. I am very disappointed in those who tried to take an unfair advantage in the purchase process and prohibited some of my great customers from enjoying the chips.

I am very thankful for all of your support over the years We will be back selling in my marketplace soon. I just want to figure out a way to make it fair to all of my great customers to enjoy the chips.

Thanks for listening.

Jim
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That is what I was talking about :) Post # 585
 
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