Tipping in a large casino MTT- USA (1 Viewer)

What’s your tip on a $8000 cash off $400 buyin

  • $20

    Votes: 10 24.4%
  • $100

    Votes: 24 58.5%
  • $400

    Votes: 6 14.6%
  • $1000

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • Total voters
    41
  • Poll closed .
Why we enable companies to be fitly rich, but pay dirt wages, on the back of the consumer, is beyond me.
But that's just the thing - the consumer pays either way. Do you believe that if we did away with tipping today's $10 meal with a "suggested" gratuity of $1.50-$2.00 wouldn't immediately become a $12.00 (or maybe even $15.00) meal overnight? Just like when we severely curtailed banks' ability to charge certain interchange fees on debit cards the companies adapted ... by keeping prices right where they were and pocketing the difference. In fact some retailers even explicitly acknowledged their increased profitability in their earnings statements. So much for sticking it to big banks to help consumers, eh?

I think it's starting to get a bit ridiculous -- the local Starbucks, Dunkin Donuts, and other national chain 'restaurants' now have tip jars at their drive-through windows. Seriously, WTF?
Absolutely agree there. One notable exception is Jimmy Johns. You will not find a tip jar in any of their stores. Supposedly it goes back to their college town roots where managers would help themselves and stiff their employees. I have no idea what their overall pay philosophy is though. Starbucks has some kind of equity system where tips are distributed to all employees based on the number of hours worked but still I find the concept of gratuities for an 18 second interaction to be kind of absurd.
 
I'm on Craig's boat when it comes to the question of tipping—for everything, not just poker.

I'm also pretty tired of being relentlessly socially pressured with the half-truth about waiters and whoever else only making $2 per hour. Yes, that's their official wage from their employer, but overall, they make many times that because tipping is so prevalent.

If you don't tip one day, or you tip a small amount, you're not sending your server home with a growling stomach and an empty wallet. This whole pleading poverty nonsense is really obnoxious. Good servers make decent money for what the work is, and the occasional small or missing tip will wash out in the average.

But of course I do tip, because I'm not a fan of being chased out of restaurants or doxxed on Facebook by angry service-sector workers. How much I'd tip for the $7,600 profit on this tournament would depend on how much I'm already essentially tipping via staff percent and such, as others have mentioned. If it's nothing, I might go a couple hundred. If there's a significant piece already going to the staff, I'm on board with a single $100. Really, just leave me TF alone.
 
The D&Ds around my neck of the woods (MA) have instituted a no tip policy. They have a plaque stating this at the counters. Now I don't know if that's the individual franchise owners policy or the companys.
 
I don't have a problem paying any given amount for services. I just want it to be white, taxed money, ie part of the economy - not part of untaxed black money, especially because my money is earned white.
I hate the idea of employees having to actually beg for money.
I hate the concept of "pay my unpaid slave if you 're satisfied". That's not capitalism, it's slavery, and it's sad to mainly occur in a nation which fought a traumatic civil war over that question.
 
I don't. That's why I'd peel off $100. I was posting my ideology. I tip, but I hate it. One of my biggest cultural pet peeves in the US. Why we enable companies to be fitly rich, but pay dirt wages, on the back of the consumer, is beyond me.
I guess this should be posted in the politics thread...
 
But that's just the thing - the consumer pays either way
Tested and disproven in multiple cities. Minimum wage is higher in California than it is in Texas, but beers cost the same, so do Big Macs. It's laughable to hear this argument - people yelling and moaning about how a Big Mac will be $8 if fast food wage increases to $15/hr. That not how it works. :eek: next is my personal favorite - why should (insert lower wage profession) make $15(or whatever) and hour when EMT who save lives only make $18??? Why is the question not "Why don't EMTs make $30?". It's ridiculous. But I digress.

Tip your dealer. A single $100 bill, a handshake and a smile. If that's not enough, hand him a union card to fight for higher wages.
 
I don't. That's why I'd peel off $100. I was posting my ideology. I tip, but I hate it. One of my biggest cultural pet peeves in the US. Why we enable companies to be fitly rich, but pay dirt wages, on the back of the consumer, is beyond me.

Fortunately, you don't fall into the same category as the dealers. Unfortunately, corporate America isn't being hurt by your stand, nor are they even aware of your sentiments. The dealers are caught in the middle.

I played in a $550, 300 player tournament over the weekend. They had one flight on Friday and two flights on Saturday. The players who survived their respective flights played again on Sunday until there was a winner. (12+ hours.)

The waitstaff worked non stop hustling drinks and food to the patrons that were there for the event. The cash tables were full and the wait lists long. Dealers worked with minimum breaks, rotating from the cash room upstairs to the tournament downstairs. One of the waitstaff who was still working when I left at midnight on Saturday was at the casino getting everything ready when I arrived at quarter to 10 Sunday morning. He told me that between Friday and the end of his shift he would have made his 40 hours for the week.

Why not simply boycott businesses that seek or operate on a tipping system if you are against it? Don't play in MTT's if you resent tipping them appropriately.
That should be easy to do.

Tip your dealer. A single $100 bill, a handshake and a smile. If that's not enough, hand him a union card to fight for higher wages.

I really do not believe we are that far apart on the issue. The union drive a few years back worked out really well for Wal-Mart employees.
 
Fortunately, you don't fall into the same category as the dealers.
Why not? I provide a service to customers. Maybe I should add a line to my email signature with a PayPal link for a tip for good service
Unfortunately, corporate America isn't being hurt by your stand
I don't take a stand, I tip, but I don't like it, and will try very hard to change peoples minds. Although I do refuse to tip at places like Starbucks, DD, or basically anywhere that has a counter. And in this example, unless there was no "Dealer Add-on", the most I'll tip after a big MTT is $100.
Why not simply boycott businesses that seek or operate on a tipping system if you are against it?
It would be easier to just move out of the US.
 
These kinds of conversations are so interesting to me. It's such a toxic topic for most people to discuss. And if you pay careful attention, you'll notice that the entire tipping culture exists in that same kind of toxic funk—hostility brewing, perpetual judgment, and just general tension. The whole practice revolves around making people feel bad and instilling a sense of obligation. And of course it works fantastically well, if we consider the goal to be extracting money from consumers. But overall, it's just nasty and something I would like to see disappear.

Aside from a meaningless amount of time in Europe, my whole experience of tipping was in the U.S. Then I lived in Peru for a couple months last year, and several more months this year. What a difference!

Outside of the rare tourist trap, tipping is not generally a thing there. People do tip sometimes, you'll occasionally see a tip jar on a counter at a cafe or whatever, but there isn't this pervasive culture of burning into everyone's brains that you have to always tip a certain amount for certain services. It just doesn't exist.

You tip (a) if you want to, (b) if you feel the service warranted a tip, and (c) in an amount that works for you. There's no automatically adding a 20% surcharge to your bill or slipping an extra few bucks to cab drivers (who almost never get tipped). You leave a small-but-not-meaningless amount of money as a kind gesture.

And guess what? People actually appreciate it. Imagine that. They appreciate that you took it upon yourself to leave a small gift. Keep in mind, people are not making large amounts of money in these service professions. People make far less at these service jobs than they do in the U.S. (even relative to cost of living).

But still, they don't take a tip for granted. They don't treat it like just getting a paycheck that they're owed. They don't say things like, "If you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't have come out to eat," or "It doesn't matter how good the service is, you gotta tip at least 18%," or "Cheapskate customer only left me 14%." They don't sic their manager on you as you're leaving or post your receipt on Twitter if you didn't tip "enough."

There's no entitlement attitude. All of this bullshit toxicity simply doesn't exist. Tipping is a truly personal decision between you and the server, and no one else, and IMO that's what it should be.
 
Last time I bartended, quite a few years ago, pay was only $2.01 per hour. On a Tuesday night, nobody's making 25-30 drinks per hour. And what's wrong with a bartender (usually a skilled, trained professional) making $25-30 per hour?
Omg, $2 per hour, i figured it would be more like $10, plus tips, which was why I was surprised. Bartenders in Australia make about $20-30 per hour, I’d guess.
 
I agree with @Jimulacrum its a really messed up system.

I like to think that in general I’m fairly generous. I will always put my hand in my pocket and generally like to chip in extra in any group pay scenario.

I always tend to round up for cab drivers and I usually tip my hairdresser, all of which is totally unnecessary in Australia. If someone has been helpful, I like to tip them and it’s nice when you can see that they appreciate it.

I have a massive problem though, with what seems to me to be compulsory tipping. I’m super excited about my Vegas trip, but the tipping thing is already bugging me.

From the outside it does seem like a sneaky way to pass on extra costs to the consumer.

It’s nothing to do with being miserly. I’d much rather be charged $120 for a meal and have the option to tip, knowing the server was paid a fair wage, rather than $100 and be forced to tip.
 
I wonder if Main Event WSOP winner gets big pressure to tip.

John Cynn won $8.8M. WSOP withheld 1.8% from the entry fees for the dealears and staff so Cynn already gave $158,400. Should he be expected to give more?
 
I agree with @JimulacrumI have a massive problem though, with what seems to me to be compulsory tipping.

Yeah, this is essentially it, but socially rather than legally compulsory. Fail to leave something in the range of 15–20% (or 18–20% in some folks' minds) is a really serious blunder/offense, in the vicinity of kicking a dog without being illegal. It's like a variable surcharge enforced through social pressure.
 
You can really make someone's evening better for a few bucks, isn't that worth it?
I can count on one hand the number of times a tip made someone's evening better. All the other hundreds of times a tip is appreciated to the same extent as handing over a pile of dirty dishes. "Do you need change?" "The fuck I don't, bring it all back ... every penny."

And the times it has been really appreciated? It went to a person that one isn't expected to tip but they'd done such an awesome job at making me and my family comfortable that I wanted to say thank you.

Lest anybody think differently I dislike complusory or socially enforced tipping as much as the next guy. I just don't have a great idea on how to stop the practice and return it to its original intent, without screwing customers or workers along the way.
 
I admit that I miss living abroad where tipping or even refusing your change was seen as an insult more or less.

As someone who questions everything and has no regard for arguments based on "well, that's just how it is", I've always had an issue with tipping and knowing when and how much to tip. I still do it though (when I think I'm supposed to) because, after all, I am a part of this society and not tipping is not going to suddenly make society change their tipping beliefs. All it does it make me look like a dick (just like how everyone gets pissed off at Mr. Pink).

To each his own, and feel free to tip or not (I wouldn't judge someone on not tipping), but at least keep in mind how others view your actions despite how right you are (or think you are).
 
I think it's starting to get a bit ridiculous -- the local Starbucks, Dunkin Donuts, and other national chain 'restaurants' now have tip jars at their drive-through windows. Seriously, WTF?

I have an even better example. I went to the self-serve yogurt place the other day. They have a tip jar. IT'S SELF SERVE!!!!!!
 
So did you keep your tip, or share it with the other customers?
 
It kinda funked up they way we treat servers in the US. There is a push to fix it but it is going against "big money."

Sorry, bordering on political thread

Wages = taxed income, paid twice a month, subject to garnishment for back taxes, child support, alimony, and other court actions

Unreported tips = untaxed income, available immediately, no record to trace

You tell me who wants no tips but higher wages. You think “big business” is the only one that wants to keep the system as is?

But for the original question, just tip what you want in America. If it’s 0 no one is going to say shit to you, except maybe your spouse. If your not used to tipping, don’t do it.

I usually round up to some even thing at a tourney and give the excess to the dealers.
 
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Attempting to get this back on to poker specific thoughts.

Seems redundant to me since casinos started withholding a % from the buyin to give to the dealers.

I agree. I would do 3-4% on a tournament cash, but I reduce that to 2-3% if the house is doing this.

I’m dreading figuring out the tipping process when I go to America.

Wages are high in Australia, so tipping is pretty rare.

I’m going to struggle.

That almost making $15/hand rake palatable if there's no tipping. :)

So I probably would have done $200 for the scenario in the op.
 

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