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[Dix]

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The Redneck Poker Card Database 2.0 - Card Specs by Weight, Thickness, & Flex

The Redneck Poker Card Database v2.0

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OK folks, here it is...

Thanks to @Tommy for granting permission to make this a resource.

For those of you that missed the original saga of how this all came to be, here's a link to the whole sordid story...

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[Gut_Shot_On_Da_River]

@Dix Great post. Thanks for the awesome statistical breakdown of the cards. Makes me realize how many more decks I'd eventually like to acquire.

I was watching Poker Night In America" the other night on TV and they were using a playing card that I couldn't identify. It almost looked like a Modiano but the Ace of Spdes was very different from their signature look. Any idea what card it may have been ?

 

[surfik]

@Dix Great post. Thanks for the awesome statistical breakdown of the cards. Makes me realize how many more decks I'd eventually like to acquire.

I was watching Poker Night In America" the other night on TV and they were using a playing card that I couldn't identify. It almost looked like a Modiano but the Ace of Spdes was very different from their signature look. Any idea what card it may have been ?

Depends on the casino they played in. What episode you are referring to?

 

[BELGRADE]

Nice job

By cons not at all agree for the flexibility of Modiano Texas Poker, how can they be more Flex than Kem's ?

Maybe this Modiano Platinum ?

For me the Modiano are the worst cards, especially the ones I played at the WSOP in 2015 a horror.

 

[Gut_Shot_On_Da_River]

Depends on the casino they played in. What episode you are referring to?

@surfik Season 6, Episode 47. Original air date looks to be Oct. 21st, 2019.

 

[surfik]

Stan

@surfik Season 6, Episode 47. Original air date looks to be Oct. 21st, 2019.

Standard Cartamundi deck

 

[Gut_Shot_On_Da_River]

Thanks man. Know by any chance where these are available for purchase in bridge size jumbo index? I can only find standard index ones on Amazon.

 

[surfik]

Thanks man. Know by any chance where these are available for purchase in bridge size jumbo index? I can only find standard index ones on Amazon.

I have poker size jumbo index with Tobago Casino Club back "blue" on sale. Never seen this in bridge size or full bleed. My guess is that it is casino order.

 

[Dix]

By cons not at all agree for the flexibility of Modiano Texas Poker, how can they be more Flex than Kem's ?

The flex scale as measured the way it gets measured is not "linear" in scale to what you would be able to feel.

In other words, if you were to flex a "soft" Cartamundi Classic (20) and then a "stiff" Faded Spade (12), you would normally expect something with a flex of 16 to be "medium", that's the way we stupid humans think. But, that's not the physics behind the way gravity & other properties at play works. Hence, the scale isn't linear.

"Medium" in feel to us humans is about 14-14.5. Which I noted in the explanations below the table....

FLEX: As measured in degrees on the Flex-O-Meter of Truth (new/unused card)
20 = Soft
17 = Medium Soft
14 = Medium
11 = Stiff

What that means is, if you hold a "12" & a "13" one in each hand, you can actually feel a slight difference. But, by the time you get to 19 & 20 you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference just by feel alone.

Take a look at Modiano's Texas Poker & Jason's older Desjgn decks. Jason has stated that his older Modiano produced decks are made on the same stock as the Texas Poker line... so, any difference between them comes down to the printing process & normal manufacturing tolerance.

& when it comes to Modiano, I've found that "tolerance" to be somewhat wider than many others.

At any rate, do they flex "more" than Kem.... technically yes, just slightly.... obviously proven.... but, as far as flex feel between them, it as much as makes no difference. & you can throw Gemaco & Copag in that same "soft" group as well.

The Platinum line on the other hand, are on a different stock, & are slightly stiffer in feel.

I think one thing a LOT of people do, as far as flex feel comparisons go, is they'll get a brand new deck & immediately compare it to something they already have. Which is not a valid comparison.

Fresh cards go through a "break-in" process... they wear some (especially initially) & tend to get a little softer over that initial period. Compare a fresh deck to a deck you've used for a few hundred hands of the same cards & you can feel a difference. Comparing a new deck to a used deck of a different brand/version is apples & oranges.

The time it takes for break-in/wear between PVC & Acetate varies as well. They're two different materials with varying properties.

That's why the flex testing/comparison has to be done with brand-new unused cards.

 

[tabletalker7]

@Dix - if I donate you a set from the Kings cards group buy would you add it to the database?

 

[Dix]

Absolutely.... PM on the way.

 

[surfik]

Hallo, I read that you want to add "producer" bracket to the database. Great idea. Can I help?

 

[Dix]

Maybe not a separate bracket, but an addendum (probably produced as an outline/timeline) showing who owns who and/or who produces who's decks.

I think I've got a pretty good handle on it, but I'll make sure & run it by you so you can double-check it.

I just need to take the time to sit down, organize it, & write it up.

 

[Dix]

Dix updated The Redneck Poker Card Database 2.0 with a new update entry:

Who Owns Who Added

Added a "Who owns Who" section with regard to where certain brands are made, made by, or owned by.

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[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

This is a really superb resource! Thanks so much for doing this. Couple of questions:

We've had a lot of cards group buys lately. Currently there is one starting up for Angel Aristo Club. Have you tried at all to get a deck of these to test?

Also, any chance you might expand and do this same thing with bridge size? I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Dix]

I missed out on the Angel group buy.... wasn't paying attention.... not like that (me not paying attention) is breaking news or anything.

Unless someone tags me in a post I usually miss it. I don't have the time to read every new topic in this joint.

In fact, now that you mention it, I've got about a half-dozen-ish decks in the "yet to torture" stack I need to get to.

As for bridge size.... 99% of bridge size cards are cut from the same stock as poker size. So it would be kind of redundant. In fact, there's only ever been one example of a bridge size card being on a unique stock (Bicycle Prestige) that's ever been pointed out to me. And, if that's going to continue in the post-Cartamundi buyout era is anyone's guess.

 

[Dix]

Ooooppssss........ I wasn't paying attention enough to the original question.... I though you were referring to the "other" Angel GB.... didn't realize there was one going on as we speak.

(happens when I haven't had enough coffee at the time)

I'm in on the current GB if it happens.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

I missed out on the Angel group buy.... wasn't paying attention.... not like that (me not paying attention) is breaking news or anything.

Unless someone tags me in a post I usually miss it. I don't have the time to read every new topic in this joint.

In fact, now that you mention it, I've got about a half-dozen-ish decks in the "yet to torture" stack I need to get to.

As for bridge size.... 99% of bridge size cards are cut from the same stock as poker size. So it would be kind of redundant. In fact, there's only ever been one example of a bridge size card being on a unique stock (Bicycle Prestige) that's ever been pointed out to me. And, if that's going to continue in the post-Cartamundi buyout era is anyone's guess.

Thanks! So as a relative n00b here, How do I determine which stock a particular bridge deck uses? Doesn't each manufacturer have more than one stock?

For example, I have two bridge decks that I like. One is from the recent King GB called King Classic. You have just King listed in your database, and you show the finish as grainy/grainy. That definitely doesn't describe the cards I have. The faces are smoother than the backs, and I wouldn't call the backs grainy. Closer to linen in my extremely inexperienced opinion. And I would guess that the faces are matte, or maybe even smooth. There's a lot I like about these cards, so I'd love to know which characteristics they actually have, to use when looking for other similar decks.

The other deck I have are Modiano Trieste. Your database has two Modiano decks and both are listed as linen/linen. I can see my deck also being linen/linen, and that also helps me understand that the King deck backs probably are grainy. Look at that! I'm helping myself now! LOL! I guess grainy just isn't quite as rough as I had imagined. These cards are also more flexible than the King cards, which makes sense since your database lists King as 15.5 and the Modiano decks as 17 & 20. Is the difference between 15.5 & 17 fairly noticeable? Because I don't think my Modiano deck is a 20. I have a Copag WSOP deck that's definitely more flexible than the Modiano.

Sorry to totally nerd out on you. Thanks for the help.

 

[Dix]

Sorry to totally nerd out on you.

Don't apologize for that. That's all right up my alley. Try reading the whole sordid saga of how this all got started.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/the-redneck-poker-card-database.52229/

The other deck I have are Modiano Trieste. Your database has two Modiano decks and both are listed as linen/linen. I can see my deck also being linen/linen, and that also helps me understand that the King deck backs probably are grainy. Look at that! I'm helping myself now! LOL! I guess grainy just isn't quite as rough as I had imagined..

So you took something that didn't make sense to you, compared it to something that did, applied some common sense & came to a rational conclusion.

Uhhh..... you might want to be careful. Demonstrating you have that ability makes you an extremely dangerous person in the eyes of many these days.

Ever see the movie "Enemy Of The State"? I used to think that was just another movie. Turns out is was "based on a future true story"... who knew?

At the rate we're goin' it won't be too long before those with any amount of common sense and/or the capability of independent thought & rational reasoning will be hunted down & shot.

Anyway, I consider "grainy" to be similar in texture to the surface of a whetstone (stone you sharpen knives with), while "coarse" is what you would get if you clear-coated a piece of 600 or 800 grit sandpaper.

These cards are also more flexible than the King cards, which makes sense since your database lists King as 15.5 and the Modiano decks as 17 & 20. Is the difference between 15.5 & 17 fairly noticeable? Because I don't think my Modiano deck is a 20. I have a Copag WSOP deck that's definitely more flexible than the Modiano.

Yea, the difference between 15.5 & 17 would be noticeable. So, given what you're saying I'd surmise the Trieste are on the same stock as the Platinum. If they were on say the same stock as DaVinci you probably wouldn't notice so much.

 

[davislane]

I missed out on the Angel group buy.... wasn't paying attention.... not like that (me not paying attention) is breaking news or anything.

Unless someone tags me in a post I usually miss it. I don't have the time to read every new topic in this joint.

In fact, now that you mention it, I've got about a half-dozen-ish decks in the "yet to torture" stack I need to get to.

As for bridge size.... 99% of bridge size cards are cut from the same stock as poker size. So it would be kind of redundant. In fact, there's only ever been one example of a bridge size card being on a unique stock (Bicycle Prestige) that's ever been pointed out to me. And, if that's going to continue in the post-Cartamundi buyout era is anyone's guess.

@Marhault is currently selling a setup

 

[Dix]

Twist my arm a little.

 

[davislane]

Twist my arm a little.

I look forward to the review!

 

[davislane]

whats everyones thoughts on 4 colour cards? I dont dare play online unless its a 4 colour deck so should the same apply live?

 

[tabletalker7]

whats everyones thoughts on 4 colour cards? I dont dare play online unless its a 4 colour deck so should the same apply live?

4 Color decks are nice on the cheap nickel and dime game where the beer is deeper than the chips but on more sober games I am not a fan. Not that it is bad mind you just looks funny to me.

 

[Dix]

I was never a fan of 4 color until I started multi-tabling online. Playing 8 tables across 2 monitors it was of some help once I got used to it.

I still prefer traditional 2 color for live play, but 4 color doesn't put me on tilt or anything. If that's what the host or other players want to use, I'm OK with it.

 

[davislane]

I was never a fan of 4 color until I started multi-tabling online. Playing 8 tables across 2 monitors it was of some help once I got used to it.

Yeah I remember when I first switched to 4 colour cards online. It was a revelation. My friend who was a grinder at the time was teaching me the ways of the mutlitabler. Cascading screens trying to multitable 24 tables at once on stars trying to grind to supernova elite.

 

[Dix]

1-2 or 2-5 PLHE on Full Tilt (pre "Black Friday" - I was something of a pot-limit specialist).

Remember those big (for the time) 24" widescreen Sony Trinitron CRTs that weighed about 80 lbs each?

Yup, those..... had 2 of 'em with 4 tables each on 'em. My desk hated me.

 

[davislane]

CRTs. Lol. Did you have a degaussing wand to go with it?

 

[Dix]

LOL.... didn't need one, there was a degausser built in.

The AC sure worked overtime.... & I nearly didn't need heat for the office in the winter. When I finally got rid of 'em the paint on the wall behind where they sat was discolored. & let's not even talk about the electric bill.

Good news was, I was turning a semi-decent profit. Online poker back then was pretty soft. I was running about 5BB/100 hands. Nothing exceptional. But, at 8 tables of 2-5 that's around $150/hour.

Of course, you were only going to get 8 tables of 2-5 PLHE for a few hours in the evening, so I was playing a lot of 1-2 as well for about $50-60/hour. ($6-8/hr per table)

 

[davislane]

Was that including RB?