Tangiers and the Quest for a Tina Hybrid Faux Inlay (2 Viewers)

[Kam]

 

[LeLe]

The $1 and $500 chip coloring look very close in the sample, the $500 came up in a totally different shades of blue/purple as compared to the mockup.

 

[SwissChip]

Closing in!!!

 

[Cratty]

I've been reviewing some of the sample chips/colors I have in hand - very curious how different some of these actually are in person too. Finding that photos of chips due to texture can appear in some cases much lighter than reality too (photos put more white highlights in, making it look lighter).. so gap might actually seem larger than reality. Lets see! Conversely though, some in person may look more off where seemingly great here.

Sounds like chips might arrive to me as early as next Friday...

Thanks again @justincarothers for all the work too.

 

[ranger764]

Yeah those are cool. Any thought of making the $1.00 chip read $1?

 

[EverGreenGSO]

Great work as usual Cratty

The matches are amazing.

 

[SeanGecko]

@Cratty color matching from chip to sticker has always been an issue. This looks great comparatively.

 

[zabel]

The amount of work that goes on behind the scenes is mind boggling. Keep up the great work!

 

[Matco]

Amazing work! Can't wait to place an order

 

[Bronson]

I can see small cash game set with that mold

 

[Winslow2918]

Hey @Cratty just a bit of commentary:

I do like the color spread even though you are critical of some.

I like the 5s though darker red may be better

500s replace pink with green other than that very nice

25c very nice but navy blue for rebuy

5K I like this one

25K dark green chip base

Maybe more color difference between .25 and 1K

This given for combination of sets or for collectors like me

 

[Cratty]

Found out Tina printed the chips on her new sublimation printer. Will rerun some on the old printer (which my color sample wheels were printed off of) which hopefully might resolve some of these. Let's see!

 

[Winslow2918]

Love your designs anyways. Just wanted to offer my input.

 

[ranger764]

Is the lighting washing out the $.05 chip or is it just the colors of the chip?

 

[Cratty]

Is the lighting washing out the $.05 chip or is it just the colors of the chip?

Reflection

 

[Kasper Storrs]

Following great work on these.

 

[BGinGA]

Found out Tina printed the chips on her new sublimation printer. Will rerun some on the old printer (which my color sample wheels were printed off of) which hopefully might resolve some of these. Let's see!

Was just about to suggest that this might have been the case that caused your unexpected color mis-matches. Looking forward to seeing pics of the re-prints.

 

[TheOffalo]

Going forward will Tina be able to use the same kind of printers for both chips and labels every run of these? Or will color matching only be optimal if ordering from a single run?

 

[Cratty]

Going forward will Tina be able to use the same kind of printers for both chips and labels every run of these? Or will color matching only be optimal if ordering from a single run?

Sounds like new printer will be used for new sets, old printer for old sets. Tangiers was caught in the middle, but don't see why we can't have it continue with the old. If the old printer ever becomes "retired", we would have to adjust at that time and repeat some of the matching work if still intending to do faux inlays.

Label is outsourced and I've assumed those colors will vary run to run, but if we can control the chips then at least one variable is semi-mitigated. I'm not expecting every chip in every run will be perfect, just shooting for close enough and will disclaim as such.

 

[SoupHQ]

I would try to make Tangiers with the new printer in case they stop working with the old one at some point.

 

[Cratty]

I would try to make Tangiers with the new printer in case they stop working with the old one at some point.

Yeah, in hindsight yes. Challenge is now throwing out all the work on color matching and sample wheels to do a new round of tweaking.. but may be needed anyway.

 

[Cratty]

Got photos off the old printer of at least just the chips, will post once inlays are placed. Some better, some still have a couple issues - need to get in hand to evaluate at this point mainly to see where we go from here, but leaning toward a second focused sample run of specific colors/inlays and do a few variations.

General theory:
Everything I'm seeing says we should be able to do it close enough, but just need to get the chip and inlays understood well enough to predict a "norm" I think.. here's my head on what we're seeing:

Retrying...

*Lower scale just noting difference in red vs black curves points.

So goal is really to try to nail the color theoretical color match, and then we can ignore most of the variation because it will still look OK. Challenge is just knowing when you're on center vs "lucky". Color wheels helped that, but now I need to figure something out when I receive the new chips.

 

[LeLe]

*Lower scale just noting difference in red vs black curves points.

Pics is not loading, at least from my end

 

[LeGold]

I don't understand why Tina can't figure out the CMYK codes on their side, shouldn't take that much work...

And, if you anyway need to do more tweaking, probably smarter to use the new printer immediately... Weren't the colors better too?

 

[Cratty]

I don't understand why Tina can't figure out the CMYK codes on their side, shouldn't take that much work...

And, if you anyway need to do more tweaking, probably smarter to use the new printer immediately... Weren't the colors better too?

My gut says:

1. They're used to mass manufacture volume that cares less about perfection
2. Their staff has limited design/print experience to also optimize profit
3. They outsource inlays to another cheaper shop that also does #1/#2 and even if they could better manage colors on their side, they couldn't control inlays without a cost increase

But yeah, we'll see. I'm torn, as I think the old printer will now mostly match my dark blue and red colors, which can be a pain.. but will get samples in hand vs acting too hastily. Leaning toward just biting the bullet though and going the new printer route, even if timeline extends a bit.

 

[SoupHQ]

My gut says:

1. They're used to mass manufacture volume that cares less about perfection
2. Their staff has limited design/print experience to also optimize profit
3. They outsource inlays to another cheaper shop that also does #1/#2 and even if they could better manage colors on their side, they couldn't control inlays without a cost increase

But yeah, we'll see. I'm torn, as I think the old printer will now mostly match my dark blue and red colors, which can be a pain.. but will get samples in hand vs acting too hastily. Leaning toward just biting the bullet though and going the new printer route, even if timeline extends a bit.

Every time I order one or more new designs, she asks me why I always want to change the colors because, for example, the blue I used 3 years ago is great... She doesn't seem to understand that you want different shades of blue, green or whatever.

So I don't think they are that interested in understanding what “we” are all about.

 

[ThinkingFold]

My worthless two cents.

Awesome-ness > Timeframe.

Take how ever long it does to make these as awesome as possible.

 

[Kam]

My gut says:

1. They're used to mass manufacture volume that cares less about perfection
2. Their staff has limited design/print experience to also optimize profit
3. They outsource inlays to another cheaper shop that also does #1/#2 and even if they could better manage colors on their side, they couldn't control inlays without a cost increase

But yeah, we'll see. I'm torn, as I think the old printer will now mostly match my dark blue and red colors, which can be a pain.. but will get samples in hand vs acting too hastily. Leaning toward just biting the bullet though and going the new printer route, even if timeline extends a bit.

 

[EverGreenGSO]

Every time I order one or more new designs, she asks me why I always want to change the colors because, for example, the blue I used 3 years ago is great... She doesn't seem to understand that you want different shades of blue, green or whatever.

So I don't think they are that interested in understanding what “we” are all about.

It's China so it's all about price

If we say we're fine with the cost increases these asks require she would be all for it IMO

 

[extreme517]

This set should be the first Tina set to make the Hall of Fame. Seriously great work being done and worth whatever wait/delays.