Towards the end game, with 3-4 players, how often do the $5k chips get used? I could see with 2 players left it makes sense to move around $5ks vs big stacks of $1ks, but how often do you guys actually use the $5ks?
Tourney T10,000 home tourney, how much do the $5k chips come into play? (1 Viewer)
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Quicksilver-75
4 of a Kind
In ours? Very rarely. Almost used exclusely for rebuys or to free up chips to get a second tourney prepped. Or if the blinds demand using high values. We've had that a few times where two or three players just won't surrender.
Never with 10K starting stacks.
You only have 90k to 120k on the table - heads up at most and maybe 4 or 6 chips at the most(30k).
1 table - never
2 tables - once the 500s are gone and someone complains about too many chips.
3 tables - once the 500s are out and there are some bigood stacks... and only maybe 5-10 tops
4 tables - might happen before the 500s are removed.
5 tables - before the 500s, but only 10-20. After the 500s, most of the rest come out.
I haven't hosted a 6 table event
..yet...
2 tables - once the 500s are gone and someone complains about too many chips.
3 tables - once the 500s are out and there are some bigood stacks... and only maybe 5-10 tops
4 tables - might happen before the 500s are removed.
5 tables - before the 500s, but only 10-20. After the 500s, most of the rest come out.
I haven't hosted a 6 table event
..yet...
So with rebuys, you then issue 10 X $1,000 chips?
I figured you would need 2 X $5,000 chips for rebuys, or at least use the $5ks to color up the $500s? You guys are saying I should use none with a single table?
I figured you would need 2 X $5,000 chips for rebuys, or at least use the $5ks to color up the $500s? You guys are saying I should use none with a single table?
For a 9-max tourney with rebuys I just give out full stacks for the rebuys and I color up all chips with T1ks. So yes, correct - use none with a single table.
The only part that confuses me is that when you color up the $100s, you need $12k. And when you color up the $500s, you need $25k. Thats an extra 37 X $1k chips put on the table.
Doesnt that just result in huge stacks of $1000s being pushed around at the end vs a handful of $5000 chips?
Doesnt that just result in huge stacks of $1000s being pushed around at the end vs a handful of $5000 chips?
This isn't confusing at all.
You asked a question and you got multiple answers. If you want to do something different from what everyone is advising you to do, you're free to do so.
No good info guys, TY. I've never run a tourney so Im seeking advice and will do whatever you guys recommend.
At what point are $5ks required (i.e. how much on the table, $200k, $300k etc?)
I mean, it is a chip forum where we love chips. Why take them off the table.
Honestly, if you have enough 1k on the table where you don't need to make change after every action, you should be fine either way. With lots of 5k and few 1k chips, it really slows the game down. Also, when you want to bet 8k but only have 2 1k chips, and the guy calls, and he only has 2 1k chips...
Ymmv....
Honestly, if you have enough 1k on the table where you don't need to make change after every action, you should be fine either way. With lots of 5k and few 1k chips, it really slows the game down. Also, when you want to bet 8k but only have 2 1k chips, and the guy calls, and he only has 2 1k chips...
Ymmv....
Most 9 person tournaments won't have 8 rebuys...unless they are unlimited. If you have that many with only 1 rebuy, well... save me an invite
This is going to depend on your players. By rights, you only "need" 5-10 1k chips / player on the table...the rest could be coloured up to the 5k's. Some people like pushing around 20 chip stacks when betting large amounts...others prefer to use higher denoms. Our players fall somewhere in the middle, so we tend to have roughly 20-30 1k's per player and colour up the rest into the 5k's (and/or 25k plaques, if it goes deep enough). You won't know until you play.
Just curious, were you hoping to hear something different by creating a new thread?
Yup. Wondering the same thing...
Kinda similar to posting multiple threads asking for table advice, and when Tony Chan (master table builder) speaks up, you kinda did the same thing "but, but, but..."
Your enthusiasm is awesome, an we welcome the questions (theres no shortage of people here who love to show off their poker knowledge to new folks), but you might consider taking a breath and just following some of the advice given (in an actual game) first, then if you have follow up questions, possibly inquire in that original thread?
I think many of your questions would be answered by simply hosting said game.
Make sure you take lots of pics. Certainly appropriate to post a thread about your first game.
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good for rebuys
Señor Tony
3 of a Kind
I like to use 2 x T5000 for rebuys and get the big stacks at the table to change them up.
I usually play it by ear whether I colour up any T1000 to T5000 as the tournament continues. If the game is dragging and the remaining players are slow with handling, organising and counting stacks of T1000 then I will change up to more T5000 to speed things along. The key is to leave the right amount of T1000 as to not slow down the action with lack of change.
I prefer to keep more chips on the table but this can slow some players down so just experiment and find what works for you.
I usually play it by ear whether I colour up any T1000 to T5000 as the tournament continues. If the game is dragging and the remaining players are slow with handling, organising and counting stacks of T1000 then I will change up to more T5000 to speed things along. The key is to leave the right amount of T1000 as to not slow down the action with lack of change.
I prefer to keep more chips on the table but this can slow some players down so just experiment and find what works for you.
Just curious, were you hoping to hear something different by creating a new thread?
Yup. Wondering the same thing...
Kinda similar to posting multiple threads asking for table advice, and when Tony Chan (master table builder) speaks up, you kinda did the same thing "but, but, but..."
Your enthusiasm is awesome, an we welcome the questions (theres no shortage of people here who love to show off their poker knowledge to new folks), but you might consider taking a breath and just following some of the advice given (in an actual game) first, then if you have follow up questions, possibly inquire in that original thread?
I think many of your questions would be answered by simply hosting said game.
Make sure you take lots of pics. Certainly appropriate to post a thread about your first game.
Not fair Tri. I posted this again because I never got resolution on the right amount of $1000 chips required for this type of game in my other thread:
http://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/starting-stack-breakdown.12055/page-2
Plus I got conflicting feedback, two totally different opinions:
VS.
This seems like the best piece of info to go by:
And seeing as though I dont know how many rebuys to expect, I have no idea how to figure out how many chips will be on the table at end game.
But what I can concur is that:
Zero rebuys = 90 X $1k chips on the table at end game, so absolutely no need for $5k chips
9 rebuys = 180 X $1k chips on table at end game, and probably 12 X $5k chips are required here to get to BGinGA's magic number
So yeah, bottom line is that if you're telling me I need to figure it out for myself, then I need to guess how many rebuys I can expect and pull that number out of thin air because of lack of experience. I was just hoping to narrow this down before buying my chips so I dont get the wrong breakdowns that cost me later on. Buy once, buy right. Hope this makes sense.
But for real, TY for all your feedback. I started out a couple of weeks ago knowing less than nothing, and I've learned so much from PCF.
A single-table tournament with 10K stacks (12/12/5/6) with three re-buys (2xT5000) will typically end no later than the 3000/6000 blind level.
After coloring-up the T25 and T100 chips (using T1000 chips), there will be (on average) these chips still in play:
50 x T500
75 x T1000
6 x T5000
------------
131 total chips
If the T500 chips are colored-up (using T5000), that would leave the following chips in play at tournament end:
75 x T1000
11 x T5000
------------
86 total chips
If 10xT1000 are used for re-buys, then the remaining chips look like this:
50 x T500
105 x T1000
------------
155 total chips
or this:
105 x T1000
5 x T5000
------------
120 total chips
Any of the above scenarios is fine.
Personally, I'd rather have 11 x T5000 and 75 x T1000 in play vs 5 x T5000 and 105 x T1000, because those T5000 chips will get used during the last four or five levels when blinds are at 1000/2000 and larger.
After coloring-up the T25 and T100 chips (using T1000 chips), there will be (on average) these chips still in play:
50 x T500
75 x T1000
6 x T5000
------------
131 total chips
If the T500 chips are colored-up (using T5000), that would leave the following chips in play at tournament end:
75 x T1000
11 x T5000
------------
86 total chips
If 10xT1000 are used for re-buys, then the remaining chips look like this:
50 x T500
105 x T1000
------------
155 total chips
or this:
105 x T1000
5 x T5000
------------
120 total chips
Any of the above scenarios is fine.
Personally, I'd rather have 11 x T5000 and 75 x T1000 in play vs 5 x T5000 and 105 x T1000, because those T5000 chips will get used during the last four or five levels when blinds are at 1000/2000 and larger.
^^^ THIS
My home game we play 1 table 6 to 8 players.
1st game or 2 is 5000 starting stack with no re-buys and 8 minute blinds. T5K chips are NEVER needed. Game is over in an hour or so. Blinds start at 25/50
"Main Event" is 10,000 starting stack with unlimited re-buys and 12 to 14 minute blinds. T5K Chips will ALWAYS come out. Usually for re-buys/ color up.
If i feel like there are too many chips on the table and its slowing the action down, I'll pause the game and color up.
Mummel, if you start with BGinGAs's format, you should be more than fine, and can always tweak it later to what feels better for you and flow of the game.
There Is nothing worse than watching someone count out 23,000..slowly in 1K chips to make a bet and recheck their counting twice because they are a couple of beers deep. And the blinds are going to double to 3000/6000 in 1 minute....
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
You would also be well advised to actually go to a game. Meet-ups are prolific this year. Casinos host tournaments all the time. Even if you are KO'ed, rail the game. Not for a minute or two, but for hours. Don't focus on the players, watch the dealers and the floor people (and the waitresses, because they're the most fun to watch ). Learn how they do procedures. Every color up is the same - or almost the same depending on the house rule of "round up" or "race off", no matter what casino you go to.
Casinos like to have the minimum number of chips in play during a tournament (the WSOP being a for-TV exception) for cost and control reasons. Most players here are running 1.5-3x the number of chips on the table, because we love chips.
1.5-3x is a huge swing, so how many do you use? Seasoned veteran players like a bit fewers chips, because big stacks get messy, require more time doing color ups, and they can make change quickly. Newer players like moar chips, because they feel like they're in the big-time, they hate making change, and they can play virtually every hand without having to break "the big chip".
So yes, you will always get widely varied opinions. What you need now is experience - and we cannot give that to you, you need to earn it. And earning it is the best part.
For the record, yes, I have railed casino tournaments for hours. My home game colors up just like a casino. My dealing is as close as I can get (skills wise) to a professional dealer. My table breakdowns were studied from various events and implemented.
Also, keep in mind we love to answer your questions, but we are not just answering for you. There are lurkers reading this post. There are noobs that haven't even found PCF yet that will someday read this post. You ask, we answer, and they also learn. For their sake, try to contain similar questions to the same thread. If it's spread out over multiple threads it will be harder for them to find it all.
). Learn how they do procedures. Every color up is the same - or almost the same depending on the house rule of "round up" or "race off", no matter what casino you go to.Casinos like to have the minimum number of chips in play during a tournament (the WSOP being a for-TV exception) for cost and control reasons. Most players here are running 1.5-3x the number of chips on the table, because we love chips.
1.5-3x is a huge swing, so how many do you use? Seasoned veteran players like a bit fewers chips, because big stacks get messy, require more time doing color ups, and they can make change quickly. Newer players like moar chips, because they feel like they're in the big-time, they hate making change, and they can play virtually every hand without having to break "the big chip".
So yes, you will always get widely varied opinions. What you need now is experience - and we cannot give that to you, you need to earn it. And earning it is the best part.
For the record, yes, I have railed casino tournaments for hours. My home game colors up just like a casino. My dealing is as close as I can get (skills wise) to a professional dealer. My table breakdowns were studied from various events and implemented.
Also, keep in mind we love to answer your questions, but we are not just answering for you. There are lurkers reading this post. There are noobs that haven't even found PCF yet that will someday read this post. You ask, we answer, and they also learn. For their sake, try to contain similar questions to the same thread. If it's spread out over multiple threads it will be harder for them to find it all.
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