Strange rule: going south (3 Viewers)

[BamaT8ter]

Played last weekend at Creek Entertainment in Gretna, Florida, and they had a rule that absolutely floored me. The $1/$2 game there has a $40 min and a $400 max buy in. If a table breaks and players are re-sat at other tables, they must take all of their chips to their new seat. Ok. That's normal.

If, however, a player who places themselves on the transfer list and changes tables voluntarily, they *must* buy in at the new table for between $40 and $400 regardless of how much they had on the table at their previous seat. In other words, a player with $700 on the table can transfer to another table and go south. In fact, that player would *have* to go south for everything above $400.

Does anywhere else use this rule? It seems very easy to exploit.

 

[Machine]

Yes, its actually the defacto for this scenario, the book I cited in the last 2 threads calls it out as well. Some times its up to the player, but is valid option.

I think this is to prevent someone from ADDing additional chips to their stack, as often times they can't track the player, but the dealer can validate chips coming into play.

 

[casinochipper22]

I remember our house rules being opposite. If a game breaks, it's not your fault, and if you want to keep playing then you can take all or none of your stack to the next table.

Table change is voluntary, you have to take everything.

Seems ass backwards to me.

 

[BamaT8ter]

Yes, its actually the defacto for this scenario, the book I cited in the last 2 threads calls it out as well. Some times its up to the player, but is valid option.

I think this is to prevent someone from ADDing additional chips to their stack, as often times they can't track the player, but the dealer can validate chips coming into play.

Seems like an easier way to avoid adding is just to count the player down before the transfer and recount on arrival. If this is the default (and I have no reason to doubt you saying it is), I'm *shocked* this doesn't get abused more often.

 

[upNdown]

I don’t play a lot of casino cash personally, but I watch a lot of Bart Hanson and he’s mentioned this a few times. It’s apparently a fairly common rule and is certainly exploitable.
I guess it raises the question, what’s the worse offense - going south or going north?
From my perspective, I’d rather this rule not exist, because I don’t want people to have that option, because it’s just further encouragement for them to leave the table.

Because to me,
money leaving the table to go play their full stack at a different table
is the same as
money leaving the table to skim their winnings and play at another table
is the same as
money leaving the table by secretly going south and staying put.

Going north? Yeah I suppose if it’s a low max-buyin and you’ve grinded for hours, you’d be annoyed by someone more skilled than you just plunking down a giant stack. But to me, that’s not nearly as bad.

 

[bergs]

Going north happened a lot more where cash plays (Mohegan used to have a 2/5 $800 max game where guys would buy in for $800, post and fold, next hand you ask how much they have behind and they casually respond “oh, about $1500 in cash and chips”.)

 

[BEANO52]

LOL, you all should have played "Florida" poker back in the late 90's. Literally maximum in the pot of $10 and a shove fest every hand. Ah, memories . . .

 

[hex]

This is common in Europe, at Holland casino I was playing 5/5 and the other table broke and they made the new player was capped at 1500 euros and made him pull about 2000 off his stack. He wasn't happy about it and neither was my table cause they were thirsty as hell!!

 

[TheOffalo]

In discussions about "hit-and-runs" it seems that many (most?) people on various poker discussion boards are generally okay with it at casinos but think it's a little (or a lot) rude at home games. Give an one-orbit heads-up, or state a time ahead of time, etc. It's polite and gets you invited back to home games. But at casinos you don't "owe" the other players the opportunity to win back the money you took from them if you have to leave early.

So, noting that going south/ratholing is not the same as having to leave a game, how do people feel about the aspect of players not obligated to make their money available to be won back. Not advocating taking money off the table when you're sitting and playing, but when changing tables or stakes...

 

[upNdown]

In discussions about "hit-and-runs" it seems that many (most?) people on various poker discussion boards are generally okay with it at casinos but think it's a little (or a lot) rude at home games. Give an one-orbit heads-up, or state a time ahead of time, etc. It's polite and gets you invited back to home games. But at casinos you don't "owe" the other players the opportunity to win back the money you took from them if you have to leave early.

So, noting that going south/ratholing is not the same as having to leave a game, how do people feel about the aspect of players not obligated to make their money available to be won back. Not advocating taking money off the table when you're sitting and playing, but when changing tables or stakes...

I’m not sure what you’re asking, but I’ll say this. For a home game, you NEVER leave based on your stack. And for a casino game, it’s the Wild West and anything goes.

 

[Machine]

Give an one-orbit heads-up, or state a time ahead of time, etc.

Honestly 1 orbit is a bit short, if you just won a huge pot. I try to give 30 to 45 min heads up if I don't close the game.

 

[TheOffalo]

Honestly 1 orbit is a bit short, if you just won a huge pot. I try to give 30 to 45 min heads up if I don't close the game.

Depending on the number of players, whether they’re drunk or being boisterous, good or bad shufflers, what games are being played, etc., 1 orbit may take 30-45m in some home games I’ve played in.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Depending on the number of players, whether they’re drunk or being boisterous, good or bad shufflers, what games are being played, etc., 1 orbit may take 30-45m in some home games I’ve played in.

9 hands is an eternity, might as well be playing Risk with these mooks.

 

[TheOffalo]

I’m not sure what you’re asking, but I’ll say this. For a home game, you NEVER leave based on your stack. And for a casino game, it’s the Wild West and anything goes.

I’m just pointing out a difference in etiquette between home games and casinos and wondering if people who are never okay with going south in one context might be okay with it (or at least tolerate or understand why it’s allowed) in another context, like with hit-and-runs.

 

[hex]

People at our home games usually let the host know they are leaving before the game, but we have degens and it's usually a hosts wife telling the host to wrap it up around 7am the next day and 6-7 going strong.

The orbits go fast we have a dealer who manages the game and works for tips, the players just shuffle.

 

[moose]

Caesar's Windsor won't let you change tables if your stack is over table max.