Single Set to Cover T25 & T100 Tournament (1 Viewer)

[Raptor5]

Newbie here and looking at getting my first set of chips. I've played with several groups and we've always used cheap dice chips.
We've never played (from what I've learned on here) proper tournaments I wanted to start playing with T25 base but wondered if it was possible to have a set that could also be used for T100 base as well.
I've had loads of help from this site with regards how the game should be played, stack sizes etc so want to get a group playing good poker.
So do I just start with a T25 set and get a separate set for T100 or can I get a set to cover both?
We generally get a group of 5 - 8 players but I'm looking to get regular 8 - 10 player games going.
Any help advice welcome.

 

[Nex]

You can start with a T25 base set and expand it. For T100 you just exchange the starting stack T25s with T100s of equal summed value, and add a bunch more higher value chips so you get back up to the number of starting big blinds you're aiming for.

If you start out with a properly built T25 base set, the add-on to turn it into T100 base is fairly small, so it might make sense to buy the add-on right with the base set.

To construct a tournament set...
- You'll want the exact same starting stack composition for every player.
- You'll want to have extra chips that can be used to "chip up", so lower denomination chips that are no longer useful when the blinds get high can be removed from play.
- Consider throwing in extra chips for special bonuses like being there on time or whatnot; also consider chips going missing.

Minimalist T25 base variant, per player:
- 8x T25 (sum T200)
- 8x T100 (sum T800) (running total T1,000) + 2 extra to chip up the T25s
- 4x T500 (sum T2,000) (running total T3,000) + 2 extra to chip up the T100s
- 7x T1,000 (sum T7,000) (running total T10,000)
This enables you to do games with starting stacks up to 200 big blinds. If you want to start with less big blinds simply distribute less T1,000s in starting stacks. If you want even more starting big blinds, throw more T1,000s and T5,000s in.

"Premium" T25 base variant per player goes with more small chips so you don't have to make change as often:
- 12x T25 (sum T300)
- 12x T100 (sum T1,200) (running total T1,500) + 3 extra to chip up the T25s
- 5x T500 (sum T2,500) (running total T4,000) + 3 extra to chip up the T100s
- 6x T1,000 (sum T6,000) (running total T10,000)

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Now if you want to move to T100 base, your smallest big blind will be T200, so in order to stay able to start out with 200 big blinds you'll need T40,000 per player instead of T10,000. A starting stack could look like this:
- 10x T100 (sum T1,000)
- 4x T500 (sum T2,000) (running total T3,000) + 2 extra to chip up the T100s
- 7x T1,000 (sum T7,000) (running total T10,000) + 3 extra to chip up the T500s
- 6x T5,000 (sum T30,000) (running total T40,000)
I'd recommend adding a couple more T1,000s though, so the "premium" variant:
- 10x T100 (sum T1,000)
- 6x T500 (sum T3,000) (running total T4,000) + 2 extra to chip up the T100s
- 11x T1,000 (sum T12,000) (running total T15,000) + 4 extra to chip up the T500s
- 5x T5,000 (sum T25,000) (running total T40,000)

You should already see a large portion of the required chips stays the same.

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I am primarily not a tournament player though, so wait for more tips and suggestions from those folks.

 

[AnteAndy]

Now if you want to move to T100 base, your smallest big blind will be T200, so in order to stay able to start out with 200 big blinds you'll need T40,000 per player instead of T10,000.

I am primarily not a tournament player though, so wait for more tips and suggestions from those folks.

I'm not a big tourney guy either, but when (if) I throw tourneys with T100 base, our first blind level is 100/100, with T15k-T20 starting stacks.

 

[philhut]

Do you have rebuys? if you do the "add-on" as mentioned by Nex said: then you will have plenty of rebuy options for a t25 based tourney with the option of a sit and go one time buy in t100 tourney as well.
based on 10 players
quality set
120-25
130-100
80-500
100-1000
40-5000
10-10000
480-chips
or if in volumes of 25
125-25
125-100
75-500
100-1000
25-5000
450-chips

Newbie here and looking at getting my first set of chips. I've played with several groups and we've always used cheap dice chips.
We've never played (from what I've learned on here) proper tournaments I wanted to start playing with T25 base but wondered if it was possible to have a set that could also be used for T100 base as well.
I've had loads of help from this site with regards how the game should be played, stack sizes etc so want to get a group playing good poker.
So do I just start with a T25 set and get a separate set for T100 or can I get a set to cover both?
We generally get a group of 5 - 8 players but I'm looking to get regular 8 - 10 player games going.
Any help advice welcome.

 

[Nex]

Right, I forgot to incorporate possible rebuys in my breakdowns.
For those, you only need to add a couple more high-denom chips to cover maximum number of rebuys * starting stack. When a guy busts and rebuys, you just walk up to the biggest stack and make change with him so you get your original starting stack composition which you can hand to the rebuyer.

 

[Ben8257]

I like a lot of chips in play... did a quick little write out (yes I still use paper and pen)

650 chips to run both starting levels with 1 rebuy per player.

 

[SlowPokeTony]

Just so you know in a tournament with t25s you don’t ever really need to color up into t100s. Just color them all up into one or 2 big chips. For example you have 3,000 worth of t25s in play. That easily converts into just 3 t1ks or even a single t5k. Same when you color up the t100s. Your 2 smallest chips you really only need enough for the starting stacks. So 120 of each. All color ups and rebuys should be done with bigger chips.

 

[SlowPokeTony]

Also one more thing your 12/12 starting stack for 25 and 100 easily converts into a t100 base by starting with 10xt100 without anymore chips needed. Unless you just want more and go with 15 of them.

 

[PARADOX]

For color up and rebuys you bring out the 5ks.

Have the big stack buy all small chips and then have them get to 5k using his other chips.

Give them a single 5k and use his chips you just exchanged for to chip up the uneven smaller ones. You can also use his larger chips to get change from other players.

My 10k starting stack with a 1k and 500 bonus is.

8x25
8x100
7x500
7x1000

Rebuy is
1x500
1x1000
2x5000

I have a 345 piece set that covers nine players.

For t100 if you do the math you will have less chips if it wasn't a hybrid set as all you need is more 5ks.

 

[Ben8257]

Also one more thing your 12/12 starting stack for 25 and 100 easily converts into a t100 base by starting with 10xt100 without anymore chips needed. Unless you just want more and go with 15 of them.

Soo... at the lower levels our 100s are our Work Horse chips, but the 25s are action chips... we start with 24 "action" chips, by removing the 25s and not adding 100s we are removing over 25% of chips in play, by not adding any additional workhorse chips, we are getting right back into "making change" every other hand. If you don't mind that (you may as well play 8/8 which absolutely blows!)

If you want to play efficiency only why not go 8/8/2/3/1... that should play really well. Plenty of "efficiency" nuts around here, I have played in several veteran chippers games around the country this year alone. We all chip up with additional 100s... some race rather than round up.

I have said it 1000 times... I have never herd one person say "man I wish we had less chips in play!" Everybody loves a healthy chip stack. At our meet up in Ohio we had 16/16/12/12 SS and 2 years running now, not a single complaint.

We all have opinions and they will always vary, try what works for you.

 

[SlowPokeTony]

We all have opinions and they will always vary, try what works for you.

Absolutely

 

[DeeVee8]

My suggestion would be this...

T25 tourneys would be the less expensive, re-buy tourneys
12/12/7 starting stack (5000), with beginning blinds of 25-50

T100 would be single elimination, bigger buy-in tournaments
10/2/8/1 starting stack (15,000) with beginning blinds of 100-100

I'd go with 500 chips...
120 x T25
150 xT100
100 xT500
130 xT1000

Then I'd pick up 10-12 plaques of 5,000. Just 'cause I'm a plaque guy.
This should cover color-ups, and for re-buys, just use 5k's and 1k's and let them make change.

 

[philhut]

The act of taking chips off the table to make change led to a big argument at a game years ago.....essentially the issue one player had involved the making of changed and the racing of chips. His issue was the chips removed to make "change" rather than just adding to the table chip bank altered the way the game was played. He said his strategy would have been different knowing that change would be made on the table. So when coloring up the 25's for example he had issue that any 100's would be replaced with higher denom chips to make change for players 25's. His theory was that later in the game when coloring up and racing off the 100's the players who opted to change up their 100's earlier would/could obtain an edge. Kind of an apples and oranges issue but to this day I carry extra chips to cover all color ups without having to take any higher denom chips off the table. I simple try to pay out each person with the highest value chip possible. This avoids any potential of conflict...or worse anyone accusing the host of mucking the stack counts by moving too many chips around.

 

[PARADOX]

The act of taking chips off the table to make change led to a big argument at a game years ago.....essentially the issue one player had involved the making of changed and the racing of chips. His issue was the chips removed to make "change" rather than just adding to the table chip bank altered the way the game was played. He said his strategy would have been different knowing that change would be made on the table. So when coloring up the 25's for example he had issue that any 100's would be replaced with higher denom chips to make change for players 25's. His theory was that later in the game when coloring up and racing off the 100's the players who opted to change up their 100's earlier would/could obtain an edge. Kind of an apples and oranges issue but to this day I carry extra chips to cover all color ups without having to take any higher denom chips off the table. I simple try to pay out each person with the highest value chip possible. This avoids any potential of conflict...or worse anyone accusing the host of mucking the stack counts by moving too many chips around.

Wow. LOL. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with more chips or just using the next higher denom from the bank for chip up.

The problem is when your chips cost $7 a piece.

 

[allforcharity]

Wow. LOL. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with more chips or just using the next higher denom from the bank for chip up.

The problem is when your chips cost $7 a piece.

EXACTLY. Of course, everybody would want more chips on the table. The problem for some is affordability. If you've got the tightest of budgets, then denomination efficiency matters more, especially when covering larger numbers or acquiring rarer chips. It may mean you need to make change more often. It may mean that you need to colour up and rebuy with only the highest denominations. Them's the breaks.

If money is no object, then go ahead and buy as many as you want to make whatever stacks you want.

 

[Nex]

There is still an upper bound for amount of chips per denom after which things do not make sense anymore. If you have shitloads of small chips (think playing a tournament using a set that was made for limit cash) then counting out is going to be a nightmare.

 

[SlowPokeTony]

Not everyone always wants a ton of chips on the table. One night we were only 6 handed so my usual 10/10/7/3 T5 base stacks became I think 20/16/10/2 just to mix it up a bit. No one cared at first but eventually almost everyone was asking when we were coloring up the 5s and was annoyed they had 60 or 70 chips in front of them at a given time.

 

[Thomacetti]

Budget wise...T5 is the most 'economical' breakdown since real casino chips tend to get expensive after $500 chips.

With 5 racks you can cover a 2 table tourney (or 300 chips for a 1 table tourney)
200 T5
200 T25
140 T100
60 T500

10/10/7/2 for T2000 starting stacks

 

[PlaidDragon]

Newbie here and looking at getting my first set of chips. I've played with several groups and we've always used cheap dice chips.
We've never played (from what I've learned on here) proper tournaments I wanted to start playing with T25 base but wondered if it was possible to have a set that could also be used for T100 base as well.
I've had loads of help from this site with regards how the game should be played, stack sizes etc so want to get a group playing good poker.
So do I just start with a T25 set and get a separate set for T100 or can I get a set to cover both?
We generally get a group of 5 - 8 players but I'm looking to get regular 8 - 10 player games going.
Any help advice welcome.

Though there is absolutely nothing wrong with MOAR CHIPZ, using T25 as a base is more efficient than a T100.

For 10 players using T25's you can have 200BB starting stacks of:

8 x 25 (80 chips)
8 x 100 (80 chips)
4 x 500 (40 chips)
7 x 1000 (70 chips with 10 extra for color-up)
0 x 5000 (20 chips for color-up)
300 chips total (T10000)

Using T100 base with 200BB starting stacks:

10 x 100 (100 chips)
6 x 500 (60 chips)
11 x 1000 (110 chips with 10 extra for color-up)
5 x 5000 (50 chips with 10 extra for color-up)
340 chips total (T40000)

Also , IMHO the 8,8,4,7 setup is generally recognized as more of a standard as well.

 

[Raptor5]

Thanks for all the help gents.