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I see there is a rule that FS ads must have a price to avoid the “PM me with your offer” ads. Should wanted ads have this rule as well?

I think yes. Given how active PCF classifieds are I like seeing what the latest pricing trends are from both FS and Wanted ads. I’m sure people click on the FS and Wanted ads to look at this for their information or curiosity. I’m not sure why there’s a rule for FS ads but not for Wanted ads? They are just the opposite side of the same coin.

Thoughts?
 
Changster said:
I see there is a rule that FS ads must have a price to avoid the “PM me with your offer” ads. Should wanted ads have this rule as well?

I think yes. Given how active PCF classifieds are I like seeing what the latest pricing trends are from both FS and Wanted ads. I’m sure people click on the FS and Wanted ads to look at this for their information or curiosity. I’m not sure why there’s a rule for FS ads but not for Wanted ads? They are just the opposite side of the same coin.

Thoughts?
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I don't think it should be a rule, but I've found that if I post a want ad with a price, I find it faster.
 
I'd say no. Sometimes I put a price and sometimes I don't. It's not always easy to know what something's going to cost. But I'd rather have the option.

And I keep seeing wanted ads with really high prices. Let's not make everything about money.
 
I don't think its much of a necessity. I still think it is generally more on the seller to determine the price, even when it is the buyer initiating the search. Additionally, when you are selling something you know the condition and quantity with certainty. When you are searching for something you don't necessarily know the condition or quantity that someone will have.
 
If somebody is looking for something and i have some to sell, i'll probably give them the chips for what I paid. But if somebody posts a price that's more than I paid, I'm thinking I'd sell for that price.
 
I’d say no. Plenty of times I’ve decided I want things and didn’t have a clue what the going rate was. If wanted ads had a price requirement I’d have had to start a thread asking about the current value before making another thread to find some :D
 
I have never posted a price because it locks you into it. I wtb "x" and you pm me with 1000 of them, if I said $1 each ahead of time, I set the price. It leaves no room for negotiations. Maybe to sell 1000 "x" you would take 0.75 each. Maybe I know I can sell some for $1 and reduce my cost. Nothing here should be retail, except from vendors because it is a job.
Bottom line, WTB ocean club card room $20, $100 and fracs, and tourney 100, 500, 1000. You tell me the price you are willing to part with them, I'll let you know how much of a degen I can be. I dont need to publicize it.
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Changster said:
Interesting responses so far, thank you guys.

On the flip side of the same coin, for FS ads why can’t someone just be like you tell me how much and I decide whether or not to accept the bid?
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I can’t say why exactly, but you always have the auction option which is pretty much as good, except you’re committing to sell
 
At least add a range to cover condition. I can always say “wiling to negotiate further” but if I actually want my wants filled I always add a price range. It helps move things along efficiently. IE Don’t waste my precious time please.
 
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Changster said:
I see there is a rule that FS ads must have a price to avoid the “PM me with your offer” ads. Should wanted ads have this rule as well?

I think yes. Given how active PCF classifieds are I like seeing what the latest pricing trends are from both FS and Wanted ads. I’m sure people click on the FS and Wanted ads to look at this for their information or curiosity. I’m not sure why there’s a rule for FS ads but not for Wanted ads? They are just the opposite side of the same coin.

Thoughts?
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Given the WTS is required to have a set price, then there is no reason WTB shouldn't be required the same. So yes, the WTB should have stated prices as well imo. I have been posting for years with this point btw, Isaac, but I'm definitely part of a small minority. It makes absolutely no sense to me why one and not the other. Haven't been convinced on the contrary yet.

Now, what is more debatable is if they both should be required to state price, and I am a bit more ambivalent on this one. I would lean more towards they both should have prices as opposed to not but still, the rules should be the same for sellers and buyers.
 
This is probably minor to most, but for me, it seems culturally awkward to negotiate prices up. We are all used to negotiating prices down, so it makes sense to start at the WTS price and work our way down.

Starting at a stated WTB price and then negotiating up from there would be nice weird
 
Changster said:
I see there is a rule that FS ads must have a price to avoid the “PM me with your offer” ads. Should wanted ads have this rule as well?

I think yes. Given how active PCF classifieds are I like seeing what the latest pricing trends are from both FS and Wanted ads. I’m sure people click on the FS and Wanted ads to look at this for their information or curiosity. I’m not sure why there’s a rule for FS ads but not for Wanted ads? They are just the opposite side of the same coin.

Thoughts?
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To elaborate a little more, the most sound argument in favor of the current rule is that for the WTS, the item speaks loudly since the picture is there. For the WTB, there is no picture, only a description of what the buyer is looking for. I get that. But still, "WTB BARREL OF MINT SB $500s" should not be debatable. In some other cases, it can get a little more complicated but still, the rules should be the same imo.
 
ekricket said:
WTB some THC in good condition, willing to pay up to 0.59 each.

And then it gets bumped every day.
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Still way better than "WTB some THC in good condition", when the buyer is willing to pay only 59¢ a chip. At least with a stated price, no one is wasting time exchanging PMs offering chips at $5.

And not that much different than "WTS casino used HSC $1s for $6 a chip", bumped every day.
 
ChaosRock said:
To elaborate a little more, the most sound argument in favor of the current rule is that for the WTS, the item speaks loudly since the picture is there. For the WTB, there is no picture, only a description of what the buyer is looking for. I get that. But still, "WTB BARREL OF MINT SB $500s" should not be debatable. In some other cases, it can get a little more complicated but still, the rules should be the same imo.
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First part of this statement is the exact reason why it wouldn't work.

Not going to put some kind of a WTB price on an unknown product. The condition, quality, etc.... of the potential product to buy are variables that can not be determined in a vacuum. Especially if you are going to force a price on the potential buyer by rule in the listing. and if you aren't going to force the buyer to commit to a stated WTB price why even have a rule.

So you say, must meet the condition requirements stated in the WTB ad and then you start down that slippery slope/road. Who is the decider of condition requirements? Say I place a WTB ad for a rack of chips in "mint condition" for $300. A seller responds but the chips don't meet my idea of "mint condition". Will the forum then publicly chastise me for backing out of the deal based on someone else's determination of "mint condition"?

nope..... WTS & WTB are 2 different animals completely.
 
TheBigTater said:
First part of this statement is the exact reason why it wouldn't work.

Not going to put some kind of a WTB price on an unknown product. The condition, quality, etc.... of the potential product to buy are variables that can not be determined in a vacuum. Especially if you are going to force a price on the potential buyer by rule in the listing. and if you aren't going to force the buyer to commit to a stated WTB price why even have a rule.

So you say, must meet the condition requirements stated in the WTB ad and then you start down that slippery slope/road. Who is the decider of condition requirements? Say I place a WTB ad for a rack of chips in "mint condition" for $300. A seller responds but the chips don't meet my idea of "mint condition". Will the forum then publicly chastise me for backing out of the deal based on someone else's determination of "mint condition"?

nope..... WTS & WTB are 2 different animals completely.
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I totally understand the argument, that is the reason I even stated it is the soundest one.

Where we disagree is that imo, there is no downside in having the price, even if the purchase is not enforced due to disagreement in condition. Without a stated price, there is no enforcement anyways. So it is not that we are loosing something with the price being on the ad.

The nature of a WTB ad is to have discussion about how close or far the item is from what is being searched for. There is no scape from that. Where there is a scape is avoiding waste of time of people whose price is way different than the buyer has in mind, although he hasn't stated.
 
ChaosRock said:
I totally understand the argument, that is the reason I even stated it is the soundest one.

Where we disagree is that imo, there is no downside in having the price, even if the purchase is not enforced due to disagreement in condition. Without a stated price, there is no enforcement anyways. So it is not that we are loosing something with the price being on the ad.

The nature of a WTB ad is to have discussion about how close or far the item is from what is being searched for. There is no scape from that. Where there is a scape is avoiding waste of time of people whose price is way different than the buyer has in mind, although he hasn't stated.
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Granted you will get better results if you (voluntarily) put a price in your WTB ad. But the OP is discussing making it a rule which is just another attempt at regulating what doesn't need regulation.
 
Yeah, WTS and WTB ads are totally different animals.

WTS is a known entity -- quantity, condition, etc. -- which makes it a simple potential transaction once the seller lists a price. All that is needed is a willing buyer.

WTB, however, is not known -- it is merely a theoretical transaction, and dependent entirely upon what a potential seller offers up. For some very specific WTB ads (wtb 100 mint HSI $5 primaries, for example), adding a willing-to-pay price can be helpful.

But many (most?) WTB ads are intentionally not specific, spreading a wider net in order to capture several items/quantites/conditions that might be of interest to the buyer, pending the asking cost of each. Adding an offering price to those types of WTB listings is not particularly helpful, and in many cases, certainly not an easy task.
 
TheBigTater said:
First part of this statement is the exact reason why it wouldn't work.

Not going to put some kind of a WTB price on an unknown product. The condition, quality, etc.... of the potential product to buy are variables that can not be determined in a vacuum. Especially if you are going to force a price on the potential buyer by rule in the listing. and if you aren't going to force the buyer to commit to a stated WTB price why even have a rule.

So you say, must meet the condition requirements stated in the WTB ad and then you start down that slippery slope/road. Who is the decider of condition requirements? Say I place a WTB ad for a rack of chips in "mint condition" for $300. A seller responds but the chips don't meet my idea of "mint condition". Will the forum then publicly chastise me for backing out of the deal based on someone else's determination of "mint condition"?

nope..... WTS & WTB are 2 different animals completely.
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No one is locking you into a deal. If you don't think the chips are good enough then don't buy them. If you put up a wanted ad for a car, the condition of the car is still going to be a factor.

I think wanted ads should include prices. $300 for very good, $350 for mint is not a difficult thing to write and you are the buyer, so you are the judge.
 
- Price, by definition, is established by the seller.

- If I'm a prospective buyer with a WTB ad, and get multiple responses, I sure don't want to be committed to accepting to buy in order of PCF responses.

- If a hard offer is to be required in WTB ads, then surely it's going to be required for the WTB ads in everyone's signatures as well, right? :cool

- I just don't see anything to be gained by requiring WTB prices.

"Wanted to Buy: Looking for 79 Vineyard $500s to complete my rack. Offering $0.01 each, negotiable."
 
Mitchell89 said:
No one is locking you into a deal. If you don't think the chips are good enough then don't buy them. If you put up a wanted ad for a car, the condition of the car is still going to be a factor.

I think wanted ads should include prices. $300 for very good, $350 for mint is not a difficult thing to write and you are the buyer, so you are the judge.
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But why mandate a price by "rule" if you are not going to enforce it? Nothing is stopping people from putting a price in their WTB ads right now. But when you force something by a "rule" and there is no consequence for breaking the "rule" then it is just a waste.

That is something called a suggestion.
 

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