Problem with metasilicate and CPC chips

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  1. May 12, 2018 at 6:52 PM
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    Strange thing happened today when I was doing another large mixed batch of poker chips in the ultrasonic cleaner today. I believe a small amount of clay material reacted with the metasilicate solution and bled off the surface of the chip. Strangely enough, it only happened with a green coloured chip, and it didn't happen with older ASMs of navy, brown, off-white, orange, and black chips.

    I do not suggest you use metasilicate with CPC chips without advanced testing. Take a small sample (a few ounces) of the detergent solution and put in a test chip - if there is an immediate change in colour of the detergent solution, dump the chip into some rinse water and do not proceed further. It might be worth doing this simple test with any ASM chip as well.

    Any corroboration of this issue would be helpful.
     
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  2. May 12, 2018 at 7:42 PM
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    Dye chemistry is fascinating and complex. The dye for green that can hold up to the chip manufacturing process may be a completely different type of chemical than the dye for orange. Go to Wikipedia for dye and you'll find at least ten chemical families. Your home chemistry experiment may have just discovered that the green dye is a different family than all the other colors, and reacts to your metasilicate where the others do not.

    And I could be completely wrong.
     
  3. May 12, 2018 at 8:11 PM
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    Yes, apparently ASM/CPC chips are not recommended to use TSP or the "fake-TSP" (metasilicate) - I used a Simple Green and Water solution to clean a set of ASM chips and didn't notice any ill effect.
     
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    This is also true with large crown TRKs..
     
  5. May 12, 2018 at 9:50 PM
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    I had the same issue with older asm blue and white chips.
     
  6. May 12, 2018 at 10:16 PM
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    I have had no problems whatsoever with old ASMs. I have cleaned many hundreds with the same methods. It only happened to these green CPCs.

    Oh, and Paulsons will stand the test of time in an ultrasonic cleaner. I had one white chip that looked like it had been sealed in road tar for 10 years. Spent more than 30 minutes in the ultrasonic with nary a problem.
     
  7. May 12, 2018 at 10:21 PM
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    Were all or some of the Large Crowns made by the Burt Co (CPC)..
    I thought I recall something about that....
     
  8. May 13, 2018 at 12:09 AM
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    It is my understanding that all of the L crowns were Burt.
     
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  9. May 13, 2018 at 6:33 AM
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    yeah i sucked some color out of my Paulson Snappers using the chemical. (cant spell it and sodium mestillicate???? or something like that) I found out that 10 mins in a 100 watt ultrasonic is too much.
     
  10. May 13, 2018 at 10:34 AM
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    Correction my blue and white chip issue was made by Burt also. It was on the DiSquare mold. Thought it was asm but I was mistaken.
     
  11. May 13, 2018 at 12:50 PM
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    10 minutes? That's really long. 99% of my Paulson solids come clean within 60-90 seconds, using the rolling salad spinner/chip cage method.
     
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    Lol Yeah thats what i found out too! Hence the warning the ultrasonic looks like it cant do damage. It can!

    yeah 90 seconds is the go. and i have the spinner too. works a treat!