Poker etiquette (2 Viewers)

joseywales

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Viewing another player’s stack, then saying, “I’ll put you all in”, is apparently bad form. In the words of Johnny Carson, “I...did not know that.”
 
I get what you are saying, but according to the TDA...
It is the responsibility of players to make their intentions clear: using non-standard terms or gestures is at player’s risk and may result in a ruling other than what the player intended

If I hear a player say "I'll put you all in" I will take that to mean "I'll bet whatever you have", and it is binding. While technically you can't put someone else all-in (they have the choice to call or fold), that is enough of a statement to be an angle-shoot if it were strictly ruled a non-valid bet.
 
A friend, who has been playing and dealing part time for years, said it to someone at another game. It didn’t go over well. He had no idea. I did it the other night and he told us what happened.

I totally get it. I actually said it because my heart wasn’t in it. I knew I was going to lose, but he had $2.50 left and I had a good hand, so what am I gonna do, check??? If my heart was in it, I would have said all-in, as I always do.

BTW, I was right in my read and I lost the hand.
 
Viewing another player’s stack, then saying, “I’ll put you all in”, is apparently bad form. In the words of Johnny Carson, “I...did not know that.”
I and others at our game have never had a problem with it. So long as the bet implies more than the minimum bet. Otherwise just put out the minimum. We play bounty so to "put you all in" is kind of a razz and challenge.
 
It’s something I would never say in a casino but would never hesitate to say in a home game. Assuming heads up of course.
 
In the instance of my friend, someone at that table reacted harshly and said it was antagonistic. He did not mean it that way, but that was how it was received.
 
this was brought up in another thread somewhere, it may or may not be poor etiquette, but the general consensus is that it is not binding and really means nothing.

When its said to me, i say nothing and wait for the real bet to be announced.
 
this was brought up in another thread somewhere, it may or may not be poor etiquette, but the general consensus is that it is not binding and really means nothing.

When its said to me, i say nothing and wait for the real bet to be announced.

I have heard people claim this is not binding... but devils advocate here... if you’re playing a game, casino or home game, and a guy (who has you covered) thinks for a while, then announces “I’m going to put you all in”, throws out a few chips, and you say “I call” and you also throw in a stack of bigger chips, are people really thinking (or expecting) that the “ill put you all-in” guy isn’t really bound to the amount in your stack, should he lose the hand?
 
I don't see what there is to be upset over, though.

Agree with you on this point.

I’m guessing a short-stacked player on tilt after a long night of getting a little beat up at the table. The “I’m putting you all in” approach probably just put him over the edge emotionally. We all have a bad night at the table now and then.
 
I never saw this as bad etiquette, just not proper betting procedure.

No, you either bet the amount your opponent has, or you go all in yourself. However, we all know what it means, which is "I don't know how much you have, but whatever it is, that's how much I'm betting". I would rather someone ask "how much do you have left?" and then proceed to bet that amount.

I'm curious how this trend started but I hear it aaaaaall the time. I imagine it stems from people who don't want to go all in due to more players behind them, but don't want to ask for a chip count either. Saying "I'll put you all in" is a bit of a power move. In which case, I can understand how it's bad etiquette. I just never considered it that way. At tonight's poker game I'm going to do it all night! :cool:
 
I have heard people claim this is not binding... but devils advocate here... if you’re playing a game, casino or home game, and a guy (who has you covered) thinks for a while, then announces “I’m going to put you all in”, throws out a few chips, and you say “I call” and you also throw in a stack of bigger chips, are people really thinking (or expecting) that the “ill put you all-in” guy isn’t really bound to the amount in your stack, should he lose the hand?

What your describing sounds more of an angle shoot, my response was when only a verbal "I'll put you all in" is made.
If someone says that and throw a couple chips in, I'd probably ask "so what is your bet?"
 
I don't recall ever using this myself, but in tournament play especially (with a clock ticking down) I kind of like the "I'll put you all in", rather than counting out stacks. Typically though, I'll just bet an increment aproxmately equal to what they have. If there are bounties though, I'd be ticked if my opponent called a T5000 bet, had T5100 behind, and someone else got his last chip.
 
What your describing sounds more of an angle shoot, my response was when only a verbal "I'll put you all in" is made.
If someone says that and throw a couple chips in, I'd probably ask "so what is your bet?"

Amen!
 
I never saw this as bad etiquette, just not proper betting procedure.

No, you either bet the amount your opponent has, or you go all in yourself. However, we all know what it means, which is "I don't know how much you have, but whatever it is, that's how much I'm betting". I would rather someone ask "how much do you have left?" and then proceed to bet that amount.

I'm curious how this trend started but I hear it aaaaaall the time. I imagine it stems from people who don't want to go all in due to more players behind them, but don't want to ask for a chip count either. Saying "I'll put you all in" is a bit of a power move. In which case, I can understand how it's bad etiquette. I just never considered it that way. At tonight's poker game I'm going to do it all night! :cool:

I don’t think it is a trend. You almost never hear it in a casino sponsored tourney as Experienced players will not say that. Players in my weekly tourney group used to say it all the time but we have broken them of the habit.
 
Yeah I suppose. I just tend to hear it at various places where I play poker, not just at my game, and at the various poker fundraisers I run. I've never corrected anyone when they say it, but maybe it's time I did. Break the habit.
 
It’s weird, because I’ve never said it. The way it played out, he was right next to me and his arms were around his chips. I figured I had him covered, but he was up for a while, so I wasn’t sure.

After I looked at his chips, the words just came out. The other player who called attention to it, was rally being cautionary, as if to say, don’t use that phrase at a casino, etc., because some folks take offense.

I won’t use it again, because it makes a presumption.
 
to me "ill put u all in" is a tard of a statement. and only tards say it.

If YOU want to go all in then go all in.

if you want to get it out and show that you have a bigger dick... Woops... I meant stack. then by all means say "Ill put u all in" because it is a personal statement. It states I will do this to you. NOT TO THE REST OF THE PLAYERS - JUST YOU!

if you say i am all in. is not personal. You are not doing anything to me. Its very different.

go all in or don't go all in

don't be a dick about it.
 
Take it to the extreme, chip leader at table is under the gun and he says "I'll put everyone at the table all in". What's the bet?
 
to me "ill put u all in" is a tard of a statement. and only tards say it.

If YOU want to go all in then go all in.

if you want to get it out and show that you have a bigger dick... Woops... I meant stack. then by all means say "Ill put u all in" because it is a personal statement. It states I will do this to you. NOT TO THE REST OF THE PLAYERS - JUST YOU!

if you say i am all in. is not personal. You are not doing anything to me. Its very different.

go all in or don't go all in

don't be a dick about it.

I hear what you’re saying, yet I said it for the exact opposite reasons. I KNEW I was going to lose. But he only had $2.50 left. If I check, he’d bet and I wasn’t going to fold. So, I reluctantly went all in and for some reason said, “I’ll put you all in.” I never said it before, it just came out.

I think there’s a larger lesson here though and one I’ve acknowledged for many years. People tend to assume the worst in others and I think they’re wrong more often than not.

“That SOB just cut me off to make the light.” Well, maybe that SOB just got a call that his daughter was hurt at school or in a car accident. Maybe that soccer mom had to get to daycare before they start charging $1/minute overtime - that she can’t afford. None of these are good reasons to speed and jeaporize everyone’s safety. However, they’re were done specifically to YOU. It’s not personal, nor intentional.
 
However, they’re were done specifically to YOU. It’s not personal, nor intentional.
I can assure you that if you ever hear me saying that at a home game, it is personal and intentional.
 
All-in.

I wouldn't even clarify it with him. I'd just motion to the next player and say "Bob (or whatever his name is) is all in, action is on you"


Hmm, I think we need to field test this. The casino I play at now is notoriously lax about rules so I'm going to try this next time I'm going all in.
 
"I’ll put you all in"

"I’ll bet whatever he has left"


I’ve seen both, never been offended by either, but agree it's poor form.

I've never seen it done in an arrogant manner - always inexperienced players just trying to make a bet.
 
I've never seen it done in an arrogant manner - always inexperienced players just trying to make a bet.

So, not trying to be argumentative, just truly curious... what is the "experienced" way to go about this?

Ask the dealer for him to count the opposing players stack?
Wait to hear a total, say, 8,479?
Then say, "OK - my bet is eight thousand four hundred seventy nine"?

This seems onerous to me. But again, if it's the proper/experienced way to do things, I'd really like to know.
 
For me, my response is always "Only I can put my all of my chips in". Maybe I am just more aware of the situations, but I will be bet enough to either over-commit the player to get his chips in, or I will shove myself. Say I look over in a tournament, and player A has 6k left. I have him covered, and I put out a bet of 4500. I know this will get him to fold/shove.

I just really hate that phrase .. its so .. ... stupid.

"i'll put you all in".. well, "since you put me all in, I guess I have to put my chips in the middle whether I like it or not since YOU put me all in".

and yes, I am a rules Czar in any game I play. always have been, always will be.
 
So, not trying to be argumentative, just truly curious... what is the "experienced" way to go about this?

Ask the dealer for him to count the opposing players stack?
Wait to hear a total, say, 8,479?
Then say, "OK - my bet is eight thousand four hundred seventy nine"?

This seems onerous to me. But again, if it's the proper/experienced way to do things, I'd really like to know.

Yes, the proper way is to make a bet that exceeds his stack. If you need a count to do that, then ask for one.

To your point, in a friendly game “the I’ll bet his stack” or “I’ll put you all in” works well IMO. No screwing around with a count, or misjudging a stack and leaving a guy with 2 chips.
 

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