PLO preflop spot, somewhat common (1 Viewer)

[onerand]

2-2 plo, effective stacks 425. 8 handed. Nobody has more than 500 in this hand. Table has been loose passive.

I open AKQ8ddd to 10 after a limper. Next guy calls, a tight passive min raises, another tight passive calls in big blind, I call.

Guy who first called my raise now makes it 120. Other 2 call.

100 for me to call, getting 4 to 1 closing the action with everyone having less than a pot sized bet left.

But is this still a fold due to card duplication? Even with a great flop like JT8 rainbow, a lot of my outs are not there. Or I will chop the pot if I hit.

 

[bergs]

You've got 3 to Broadway, nut flush capable holdings, and you're not in EP. I like to gambool, I call here, but I think you closing the action 4 way here is a-ok.

 

[Rhodeman77]

I agree with @bergs. If you don't mind variance make the call. It can be good for your meta too that you won't be pushed around. Though I would fold if you think he would only do this with AA as that has you in really bad shape holding an A as well.

Last week I had the same type of situation, except I had an 8 high rundown with a suite. The preflop $100 raiser went all for $300 on the flop and it folded to me, I call with a pair and a flush draw, catch my flush to beat his bare AA. It put him on tilt and he spewed off 2 more buy-ins before leaving.

So there can be extra benefits beside the direct odds you are being laid right then.

 

[jbutler]

I think you hit the nail on the head with card duplication. You're looking to flop diamonds pretty much exclusively. Even if you flop two pair you're likely to be getting it in against a big wrap. Best case scenario is that you get two pair in versus aces with some sort of draw.

I'm a big fan of calling off higher percentages of one's stack in PLO than in NLHE, but I'm folding here.

 

[bergs]

I think you hit the nail on the head with card duplication. You're looking to flop diamonds pretty much exclusively. Even if you flop two pair you're likely to be getting it in against a big wrap. Best case scenario is that you get two pair in versus aces with some sort of draw.

I'm a big fan of calling off higher percentages of one's stack in PLO than in NLHE, but I'm folding here.

Vegetation is sparse in New Jersey. This is the only reason that we didn't get Butler a Nit On A Log T-Shirt at BBOTB2. Really, he's more of a Nit On An Oil Tanker.

 

[jbutler]

Vegetation is sparse in New Jersey. This is the only reason that we didn't get Butler a Nit On A Log T-Shirt at BBOTB2. Really, he's more of a Nit On An Oil Tanker.

Soon to be a nit on a peach.

 

[DrStrange]

I fold. Too much duplication, Hero is down to praying for JT or diamonds on the flop. And even on a good flop, Hero has no sure thing.

 

[guinness]

I'd fold, unless stuck. <== you know what I'm talking about...

I plugged in a bunch of hands. Couldn't seem to bring your percentage up. Wish I saved the others but you get the drift here.

 

[onerand]

I'd fold, unless stuck. <== you know what I'm talking about...

I plugged in a bunch of hands. Couldn't seem to bring your percentage up. Wish I saved the others but you get the drift here.


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This and Butler and Dr. look right to me. I would happily call with a small rundown.

If it was folded to me I would have folded, but the odds looked too good. In game turned out to be a facade. JT8 rainbow board. KQQx and Q99x got it in. Guy who potted folded AAKx. I got an undeserved half when a 9 came.

Not worried about getting run over.

 

[Rhodeman77]

Like I said I fold if you are sure he has AA, good run out though. If he makes that play without AA, it an auto call, even going against KK and QQ and a 4 card run down you still have 25% equity. Most of it comes from having the only A in this scenario. So obviously your equity would drop a lot if someone else has a Ace.

 

[jbutler]

View attachment 58514 Like I said I fold if you are sure he has AA, good run out though. If he makes that play without AA, it an auto call, even going against KK and QQ and a 4 card run down you still have 25% equity. Most of it comes from having the only A in this scenario. So obviously your equity would drop a lot if someone else has a Ace.

I think calling to see a flop 4 ways in PLO based on the hope that no one else has an ace is a huge mistake.

 

[Rhodeman77]

I agree, but player history and table dynamics have to be considered before just hitting auto fold. I don't play several night a week, but most of the regulars at the local PLO game do so they make this type of move with much wider hands than AA and they have to or they become exploited to easily.

 

[Adam Crowley]

Im not too familiar with 8 max PLO, but based on how I play UTG in 6 max PLO I think this is a limp or fold on your first decision. If there are players behind you that make your life hell I would fold this 100%. The 8 hurts your hand and you block one of your flush outs.

If it was 6 max or you feel like you have exceptional hand reading skills vs the other 7 players I am sure this could be a profitable situation, but against players that are close to my level in this spot I feel like I would loose money to position in the long run.

 

[guinness]

View attachment 58514 Like I said I fold if you are sure he has AA, good run out though. If he makes that play without AA, it an auto call, even going against KK and QQ and a 4 card run down you still have 25% equity. Most of it comes from having the only A in this scenario. So obviously your equity would drop a lot if someone else has a Ace.

4 handed PLO where:

1. No ace except yours
2. KK & QQ represented with you having two blocks
3. Deck is fully loaded with diamonds
4. Everyone is blocking each other.

The scenario above is so polarizing that it makes it hard to justify that he's a 25% favorite and that calling is considered good play. I'm not saying its never happening, of course it is, but moving forward he should not consider AKQ8ddd as a 25% favorite 4-handed the way it played out. Its going to be worse in most spots.