PAHWM: PLO8 (1 Viewer)

[Beakertwang]

At Riverside Casino near Iowa City. Had finally gotten a seat after 3 hours at 1/2 NLHE. This was my 3rd or 4th hand at the table, so not much for reads about anyone yet.

1/3 PLO8, $5 minimum bring in, pot open is considered $15. 9 handed.

SB:
BB:
UTG: $225
Hero: $440
UTG2:
MP:
CO:
BTN: about $550, maybe a bit more.

UTG limps for $5
Hero looks down at , pots for $20

MP calls, CO calls, BTN calls, blinds fold, UTG calls.

Pot $100

Flop is

UTG checks

Hero?

 

[Beakertwang]

@MrCatPants @Hornet @Rhodeman77 @shorticus @IaHawk

 

[Rhodeman77]

As @detroitdad likes to say often, Pot Mother Fucker!!!

 

[BarrieJ3]

Gorgeous. I walk up to the table with 3 drinks in hand and chips falling out of my racks, and sit down to this?

Pot pre, pot on the flop.

 

[dmoney]

PLO8 noob but I’m posting to see how the hand progresses along with reading the analysis.

66 and 44 seem the most likely hands better than yours for the hi and I wouldn’t be surprised to see another A2 somewhere. I think I’m making a small bet of $40.

 

[Rhodeman77]

The problem with betting $40 is that all it will do is boost the pot. Split pot game and everyone finds a reason to call a small bet and once the first player does, that is all the reason the rest of them do too.

A2xx will call for sure, that is the hand we want to stick around as Hero has a great shot at 3/4 of the pot vs that hand. So Hero needs to bet pot to give that hand the wrong price to draw for 1/4 of the pot.

 

[BarrieJ3]

Oh my. I’m so bad at all things poker.

I wasn’t betting pot to remotely scare off anyone. I don’t love not having a nice redraw for low, and maybe I’ve only played loose home games and soft Vegas during WSOP, but I fully expect at least one nut low draw to come along, along with a high only, and hell - probably even someone with mediocre high&low draw.

I’m going pot because I’m gonna make cards expensive and bloat the pot. I plan on getting it all in and taking down 3/4 with two other nut lows getting eighthed.

 

[shorticus]

I think you should check


…your hand and make sure these are your cards. Then pot.

 

[MrCatPants]

Without a straighty/wrappy thing, and just a flush draw realistically for high, I'm in check/call mode if the table is pretty aggro. If the table is nitty, I'll lead for pot.

 

[Beakertwang]

Moving on...

At Riverside Casino near Iowa City. Had finally gotten a seat after 3 hours at 1/2 NLHE. This was my 3rd or 4th hand at the table, so not much for reads about anyone yet.

1/3 PLO8, $5 minimum bring in, pot open is considered $15. 9 handed.

SB:
BB:
UTG: $225
Hero: $440
UTG2:
MP:
CO:
BTN: about $550, maybe a bit more.

UTG limps for $5
Hero looks down at , pots for $20

MP calls, CO calls, BTN calls, blinds fold, UTG calls.

Pot $100

Flop is

UTG checks

Hero bets $75.

CO folds
BTN pots for $325
UTG calls for $205

Pot $705

Hero has $345 left.

Action?

 

[BarrieJ3]

I've seen this movie plenty of times. I call, turn pairs, river comes out safe face card, trip 6s full of 4s takes it all down.

For me, honestly, this is super easy/simple. If I was at a home game, I'm 100000000% ripping it in, all day and all night.

At the casino? I can find a fold. If I was smaller stacked I wouldn't have a problem ripping it in, but I have about $300 behind. I'm gonna kick myself when I fold and see what garbage they have, because everyone I've seen plays PLO8/BigO recklessly, but without doing the math and implied odds and all that garbage, I can find a fold.

If for no other reason than to take another sip of my drink and watch as I either folded correctly or foam at the mouth looking at their half pot chasing hands.

 

[JWC]

All in! Might as well.

 

[Rhodeman77]

No way I find a fold. Nut outs both ways means too much equity. Even if Hero gets 1/4 on the low side it isn’t a big loss with 3 players in the hand. 1/6 would suck a lot though. Lots of wrap draws without A2 thinking their 235x is an absolute monster to give up on this pot.

 

[MrCatPants]

I've seen this movie plenty of times. I call, turn pairs, river comes out safe face card, trip 6s full of 4s takes it all down.

For me, honestly, this is super easy/simple. If I was at a home game, I'm 100000000% ripping it in, all day and all night.

At the casino? I can find a fold. If I was smaller stacked I wouldn't have a problem ripping it in, but I have about $300 behind. I'm gonna kick myself when I fold and see what garbage they have, because everyone I've seen plays PLO8/BigO recklessly, but without doing the math and implied odds and all that garbage, I can find a fold.

If for no other reason than to take another sip of my drink and watch as I either folded correctly or foam at the mouth looking at their half pot chasing hands.

Given the action you would have to assume a set, and a wrap/top 2/another set, and across both hands maybe another a2 or two out there.

 

[MrCatPants]

And agree with the others. Can't fold, wouldn't have much left behind, rip it. But I would guess we are behind (in terms of 33% equity) here most of the time.

 

[shorticus]

No way I find a fold. Nut outs both ways means too much equity. Even if Hero gets 1/4 on the low side it isn’t a big loss with 3 players in the hand. 1/6 would suck a lot though. Lots of wrap draws without A2 thinking their 235x is an absolute monster to give up on this pot.

I agree with @Rhodeman77 because, well, he’s better than me.

 

[CraigT78]

Live poker? Rip it in.

Online poker? Slam you fingers in the desk drawer and fold. #rigged

 

[Beakertwang]

Moving on...

At Riverside Casino near Iowa City. Had finally gotten a seat after 3 hours at 1/2 NLHE. This was my 3rd or 4th hand at the table, so not much for reads about anyone yet.

1/3 PLO8, $5 minimum bring in, pot open is considered $15. 9 handed.

SB:
BB:
UTG: $225
Hero: $440
UTG2:
MP:
CO:
BTN: about $550, maybe a bit more.

UTG limps for $5
Hero looks down at , pots for $20

MP calls, CO calls, BTN calls, blinds fold, UTG calls.

Pot $100

Flop is

UTG checks

Hero bets $75.

CO folds
BTN pots for $325
UTG calls for $205

Pot $705

Hero has $345 left.

Action?

Hero does jam. Of course button calls.

Run out is beautiful: giving hero nut/nut.

UTG has (I think. It was something close to this)
BTN has

Hero wins 2/3 of the main pot, and 3/4 of the side pot.

In the moment, it seemed like a trivial call to me. While I had no experience with these particular players, I know the game is quite loose, and players overvalue mediocre made hands, and call weak lows and draws. The BTN player was griping about me calling with nothing. A couple other players talked like I was some huge action junkie. But they're also the type who go crazy with a flopped middle set and get mad that someone hits their draw.

In retrospect, I guess a check/call on the flop may have been more wise, without any low protection and no other draws, and I could have gotten out if the board paired or some other bad card hit the turn. But in the end, the result would have been the same.

 

[BarrieJ3]

I’m going pot because I’m gonna make cards expensive and bloat the pot. I plan on getting it all in and taking down 3/4 with two other nut lows getting eighthed.

 

[FDLmold]

In an O8 calculator, I had to give each of the opponents almost perfect cards to get our equity down to 0.30 or less.

At low stakes, typical players fall in LOVE with A2 on on a two low board with 46 or 37 or something like it. I'm not surprised at UTG here with his A2trash hand and getting it in.

You shipped it and should have. Nice hand!

 

[Rhodeman77]

If this was a deeper stacked game, say $1k effective to start the hand, I play this as a check call on the flop to make sure I get to realize my equity.

You ran into the one hand that had you in real trouble, especially since he had 2 clubs as well. But more times than not you will find more hands like the A279. For the times you are wrong that is what rebuys are for.

 

[Moxie Mike]

You ran into the one hand that had you in real trouble, especially since he had 2 clubs as well.

Yeah kind of a cooler for that dude, especially with HERO holding 3 clubs

 

[RainmanTrail]

You played it correctly. You can't fold that hand on that board.

 

[detroitdad]

This thread moved way to quickly. Patience with the updates. Let more of us play damnt!!

First off, you're missing a card in the mitt. I thought PLO* was only played with 5 cards?

Secondly, as Adam said. Pot this motherfucker!

 

[Legend5555]

When you have a pair, nut FD, but low draw, you basically just have to get it in. Even without a pair, you probably get it in still especially 3 ways where that basically gives you a proper overlay for your draws. This is one of the only spots where you don't really need to have a near lock one way to be willing to get it in. Having some backup is obviously good, but it ain't going to stop the money going on here.

 

[Beakertwang]

Yeah kind of a cooler for that dude, especially with HERO holding 3 clubs

I somehow missed my error. I had the , not the.

 

[Legend5555]

Whine the villains in this example seem better than what I'm about to talk about, this hand reminds me of one of the first times I played Big O back in the late 00's.

It maybe wasn't my very first time playing Big O, but it was maybe only called a couple times in my semi weekly dealers choice limit/big bet mix.

Sitting on just over $100 with blinds of .25/.50, I limped UTG with something like . Multiway ($3 in the pot) to flop of . BB checks, I lead out for pot, get one call, BB re pots, I pot back, other guy folds, BB jams and I snap. He has QQxxx no flush draw no straight draw. Not even sure he had a low draw. He did not win any of that pot.

 

[MrCatPants]

Whine the villains in this example seem better than what I'm about to talk about, this hand reminds me of one of the first times I played Big O back in the late 00's.

It maybe wasn't my very first time playing Big O, but it was maybe only called a couple times in my semi weekly dealers choice limit/big bet mix.

Sitting on just over $100 with blinds of .25/.50, I limped UTG with something like . Multiway ($3 in the pot) to flop of . BB checks, I lead out for pot, get one call, BB re pots, I pot back, other guy folds, BB jams and I snap. He has QQxxx no flush draw no straight draw. Not even sure he had a low draw. He did not win any of that pot.

Top set on wet boards is most players biggest leak in O8. They treat it like the nuts where it's simply a drawing hand that is partially made only if all the straights/flushes/lows miss.

 

[honkydevil]

How often is PLO8 running in Iowa casinos? I’m up north in MN and jealous lol.

 

[Beakertwang]

How often is PLO8 running in Iowa casinos? I’m up north in MN and jealous lol.

Riverside runs PLO most Mondays, and sometimes on Fridays and Saturdays, if there’s interest. That’s the only room I’m familiar with, other than Catfish Bend here in Burlington, but that poker room sucks.