PAHWM: 99 Multi-Way (1 Viewer)

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Work has been crazy so it's been over a year since I have been able to play live at a casino. I had a weekend to myself in LA so went to Hustler Casino to check it out. I bought into the 2/3 game for $300 and had to reload once but have run it back up since then and am sitting on about $750.

* V1 is on the button and is a younger Armenian reg. Pretty quiet but seems to be observant and OK, but not amazing. He doesn't limp and raises at a decent frequency (IE high frequency for these stakes) and I've seen him bluff catch light (successfully and unsuccessfully) a few times in the session. He bought in short and dusted it off but then bought back in for $300 and is now sitting on about $550, the second biggest stack at the table behind me.

* V2 is a middle aged white guy who has had a few beers and is definitely a LAG donkey. He has bought in for $100-$150 about 5 times. He's been a calling station pre-flop but is aggressive post-flop, raising in position frequently and donk betting often when out of position. Seems like he's there to gamble and have a good time. Earlier he was responsible for me needing to reload when I 3B his raise on the button with JJ. Flop came all low cards, rainbow and he went all in for his remaining ~$50. I called and he had Ad5d, totally missing the board, but he spiked the ace on the turn. I got it back from him later in a hand where he had called my raise with 7h9h and he made 2 pair but the board had paired so my top pair w/ AKs ended up winning. So yeah, he's been the donator to the table. He's sitting on a nub stack of $63 in the BB.

Since pre-flop is pretty straightforward, I will just get to the flop decision.

Hero UTG ($750) with :9c::9d: raises to the table standard of $15
V1 on the BU ($550) calls
V2 in the SB ($63) calls

Pot is ~$45 after rake.

Flop is :9h::9s::4d: (!!)

V2 leads for $5. Hero?

I promise this is not a bad beat or self-congratulatory post in disguise - there is some strategy to talk about!
 
I go between min raising and flatting to trap on later streets. Raising on a board with no straight or flush draws may took a bit too strong.

Call and check raise turn.
 
I think I raise to $15. I mean you are targeting V1 who may have any pair or two overs. He may have 3-straights and 3-flushes (j10s) that would may think a call of a small bet in position is reasonable. That flop favors a pre-flop raiser so I feel like I’d be normally betting most or ?all of my range. I realize you have a lock on the hand, but gonna be hard to get all of V1s stack if you don’t start building a pot now…

Bonus to this is the V2 donkey may think he can get you off any hand with a re-raise.
 
You want V1’s money. I’d kind of ignore what V2 did with a $5 bet.

If you were first to act here would you check or bet? If the later, maybe throw in $20 and go “wow you can’t possibly call a 3 bet!”. Run towards it rather than away from it.

The bet will look like A9, A4, 44, or maybe TT or JJ. I don’t think you can put V1 on QQ or better (including AK).

I’m leaning towards effectively checking (calling the $5) because you’re so far ahead and the board is bone dry with no frontdoor straight or flush draw.

If there is a bad beat jackpot that is large and any quads qualify, I definitely just laugh and flat here and hope a 4 turn spikes.
 
My thinking here was that this board was very dry and a raise could get rid of V1 - I wanted to give him a chance to catch up. I also thought there was a good chance V2 would put the rest of his stack in on the turn but might fold to aggression. Getting V1's whole stack might be difficult without growing the pot here, but I felt like playing passive I might be going to the river with both players in and a $180 or so pot so I would still have a chance at a decent sized pot on the river. So I chose to smirk at the small bet size and just call.

FLOP
Hero UTG ($750) with :9c::9d: raises to the table standard of $15
V1 on the BU ($550) calls
V2 in the SB ($63) calls

Flop is :9h::9s::4d:

V2 bets $5
Hero calls
V1 calls

Pot: ~$58 after rake

Turn is :jd:

V2 bets $43 and is all-in. Hero?

Edit: to answer @bergs question, there is a bad beat jackpot: $20K with 50% to the loser, 25% to the winner and 25% to the table.
 
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V1 on the BU ($550) calls
V2 in the SB ($63) calls
Turn is :jd:

V1 bets $43 and is all-in. Hero?
Something’s off. V1 should have a good bit behind but would put V2 all in, no?
 
Something’s off. V1 should have a good bit behind but would put V2 all in, no?
Sorry I mislabeled. V2 (SB) is the one who bet all-in, V1 is still yet to act. Will fix in the post above.
 
V2’s forced to move, I wouldn’t worry about them. So what does V1 make of any action by Hero?

Call shows weakness? Or someone who doesn’t like side pots? Or a trap?

A bet says you’re gunning for V1 or bluffing.

So I’d call and see what V1 does. But then again, I’m stupid at poker and just here for the chips.
 
I’d tank and count to 30, glance at V1, slide in a call and try to naturally clear my throat.

And then scream CALL YOU PANCAKE EATING MOTHERFUCKER!

One of these things is not true.
 
I was not explicitly thinking about V1's range at this point, I was thinking about Vegas and the fuckin Mirage. But generally I was feeling like the flop didn't narrow his range at all and that he wasn't likely to have a big piece of this board. I wanted to keep him in so I took a few seconds before calling, re-checking the board, etc. I felt that if I raised I was giving him an opportunity to get off the hand and I wanted to keep his pairs in, as well as any draws he may have picked up with the board more coordinated and there being some straight and flush draws now. Maybe he was thinking I had one nine and he could draw out? I didn't expect him to raise any draws at this point given that V2 was in the pot and he couldn't fold out his equity.

I've been giving some thought to this after the fact in terms of what range he might have that would call this bet and I feel like pairs 44-JJ, suited aces with diamonds (AQ, AT, maybe a few others?), AJo, AQo (maybe), KQ (def with diamonds maybe other combos), KJ, QJ, and combo draws like KTdd, QTdd and 87dd all could have called on the button and be calling in this situation. I could see him folding some of this range - I imagine he had a similar read of V2 and wasn't particularly worried about him but I assume he would read my call and UTG raise pre-flop as having something decent so I assume he may have given up on some weaker one-pair holdings and would continue with a pair of jacks+, or a strong straight and/or flush draw (maybe 77 and 88 if he was totally discounting V2 and looking to bluff catch me on the river). I assumed QQ+ and AK were out of his range as I expect he would 3B them pre flop.

Anyway V1 thinks for a bit and then makes the call.

FLOP
Hero UTG ($750) with :9c::9d: raises to the table standard of $15
V1 on the BU ($550) calls
V2 in the SB ($63) calls

Flop is :9h::9s::4d:

V2 bets $5
Hero calls
V1 calls

TURN
Turn is :jd:

V2 bets $43 and is all-in.
Hero calls
V1 thinks for 30 seconds then calls

Pot is ~$185

River is :jc:

Action is on hero.
 
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Never count on Jac….. oh.

Well he did say this:
I promise this is not a bad beat

I guess I’d be hoping V1 had (A-Q,T)J, who got to see a cheap turn and made the nut boat on the river to pay off my quads. :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:

I’d probably bet like $80-$100 to entice a raise? If he doesn’t have a Jack (or 44) he’s probably not calling w/2 pair on the board anyway.
 
Yeah, no bad beats… just poking fun at the infamous Jacks. ;)

There’s no checking here.

I guess the question is- would we expect a set of Jacks to call or raise on the turn? For now there’s only one way to find out, and that’s to bet. Agree with @TheOffalo, about 1/2 pot.
 
I guess the 9's would consider it a bad beat, but, as a hand observer I wouldn't call it anything close to a bad beat. $5 bet on the flop gave V2 a boat, he's not going anywhere. If hero is concerned about the case J hitting then he didn't show it with his betting. This is a great poker hand, but I don't consider it anywhere close to a bad beat. And this isn't saying quad j showed up, just if it did. That would just be poker. In the sense of a casino and their pots, it would likely qualify, but, not in the sense I would consider a bad beat. I'm sure we've all taken bad beats, I know I have, and this wouldn't rank anywhere close to one.
 
Well since there's a BBJ, maybe his "not a bad beat ... post" just meant that it wasn't a bad outcome, since he would have won $10K. So, I guess I'm rooting for the villain to have JJ. :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
I guess the 9's would consider it a bad beat, but, as a hand observer I wouldn't call it anything close to a bad beat. $5 bet on the flop gave V2 a boat, he's not going anywhere. If hero is concerned about the case J hitting then he didn't show it with his betting. This is a great poker hand, but I don't consider it anywhere close to a bad beat. And this isn't saying quad j showed up, just if it did. That would just be poker. In the sense of a casino and their pots, it would likely qualify, but, not in the sense I would consider a bad beat. I'm sure we've all taken bad beats, I know I have, and this wouldn't rank anywhere close to one.
This brings up an interesting side conversation about what people consider bad beats and coolers. (I know there are threads about this already.) I probably take the more mathematical view on it. If I'm 99.99% ahead and my opponent his their 1-outer, I'd probably consider it a bad beat but maybe most would consider it a cooler.

But maybe I should probably consider play too: if both players did it right and one wins from being way behind, it's a cooler for the losing player, but if one player played terribly and still wins a very unlikely hand, it'd feel more like a bad beat? What would you consider a bad beat?
 
Interesting river card. I was not considering a check as I felt like V1 was very likely to check back with a lot of his range. I was debating between a larger sizing to get a call out of hands like AJ, but decided to go for smaller as I'd seen him call light as a bluffcatcher with a wide range of holdings and felt like with a pretty small bet there was a chance he would look me up with 88, 77 or even AQ out of curiousity. In hindsight maybe this was giving too much weight to the portion of his range that wasn't boats+. Anyway I chose to bet around quarter pot - $50. Villain thought for a long time, hemmed and hawed a bit, then moved all in.

FLOP
Hero UTG ($750) with :9c::9d: raises to the table standard of $15
V1 on the BU ($550) calls
V2 in the SB ($63) calls

Flop is :9h::9s::4d:

V2 bets $5
Hero calls
V1 calls

TURN
Turn is :jd:

V2 bets $43 and is all-in.
Hero calls
V1 thinks for 30 seconds then calls

RIVER

River is :jc:

Hero bets $50
V1 thinks for a while, then moves all in for ~$450 more

Pot is ~$725

Hero?
 
Snap. You’re getting more chips from somewhere.

Snap even without the BBJ. But this felt like a BBJ post from the jump hence my earlier comment.
 
OK this part is trivial so I won't drag it out. Even if there wasn't a BBJ, I'm not good enough to consider folding quads, so I called PRAYING that he had JJ as it seemed like the most likely holding given his actions.

I table my 99 and he looks shocked. Dealer is checking to make sure I have him covered (I do), he MUCKS and leaves the table.

In the moment I just assumed he had AJ or something, but in thinking it through after I feel like a bet that big was really bad with that holding. What does he beat that calls? I could have a jack too and then we're chopping, but what worse is calling that he beats him? 99 and J9 are beating him. If it were reversed and I had a jack, I would have either called or made a smaller raise (but probably just called). I may have had the stacks wrong - I think his river shove was even bigger (more like $550 instead of $450). But that just makes it worse. Could he have had a combo draw and turned it into a bluff?

What do you think he had? What did he think I had? Obviously I'm glad to win one of the biggest pots of my career, and that was the first time I ever thought I was about to win a BBJ, but now I can't stop thinking about what he was doing. Could be a total punt but he seemed better than that. Let me know what you think he had and what he was thinking on the river.

Anyway I had a couple more small pots go my way before I racked up a half hour later, up almost $1K in about 3 hours. Easy game!

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Yeah I gotta assume Jx, nothing else makes sense. Thanks for doing a PAHWM that completed in less than 12 hours. :ROFL: :ROFLMAO: Don't need to drag out a hand that did have strategic betting considerations but obviously no decision-making on whether to continue or not postflop.
 

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