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Hero is UTG with :qs::qh: and raises to $1.50. $53 to start hand.
MP calls.
CO raises to $3.09.
CO is $23 to start hand. No reads.

Folds back to Hero. Folding is obviously out of the question. Play?
 

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4 bet to $8. I like a larger opening bet. 3x BB is small for cash games.

Also are there any HUD’s on this site? If so do we have any stats? If not, have you been playing long against this player and have any notes?
 

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4 bet to $8. I like a larger opening bet. 3x BB is small for cash games.

Also are there any HUD’s on this site? If so do we have any stats? If not, have you been playing long against this player and have any notes?
No notes, this was maybe 3rd orbit. It's on Ignition and it is all anonymous, HUD isn't super useful. Plus I don't play super often, maybe 6-8 hours a week, 2-3 tables.

I would open larger in a live game, but not online. The online raises for 100bb buy in games are 2.5-3.5x standard. It's perfectly effective.
 

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That’s a small re-raise and an odd number.

I think the most important thing here is the villain only has $20 back. So, if you re-raise to something like $8-9, you are still going to call a pre-flop (and most likely, a post-flop) all-in for about $15 more. So, I say keep it simple and get it all in now. If he has KK or AA, so be it; you were likely getting it all-in eventually, anyway. If he has AK, you’re a favorite and getting a call. If he has Ax or Kx, make him get his money in bad or let you take down a small pot. Yes, a smaller bet would string him along and such, but without a good read, I say put him to the decision now since you are probably moving all-in post-flop, anyway.

Of course, if he was re-raising with smaller suited connectors, you just squeezed him out, but a bet of $8 or 9 was likely to do that, too.
 

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That’s a small re-raise and an odd number.

I think the most important thing here is the villain only has $20 back. So, if you re-raise to something like $8-9, you are still going to call a pre-flop (and most likely, a post-flop) all-in for about $15 more. So, I say keep it simple and get it all in now. If he has KK or AA, so be it; you were likely getting it all-in eventually, anyway. If he has AK, you’re a favorite and getting a call. If he has Ax or Kx, make him get his money in bad or let you take down a small pot. Yes, a smaller bet would string him along and such, but without a good read, I say put him to the decision now since you are probably moving all-in post-flop, anyway.

Of course, if he was re-raising with smaller suited connectors, you just squeezed him out, but a bet of $8 or 9 was likely to do that, too.
I agree that once we raise we aren’t getting away from the hand unless he flats and the flop is AKx.

I don’t want to jam though as it allows him to fold hands we have crushed like JJ, 1010, 99, & AQ. And only leaves the very top of his range to call with, AA, KK, AK.
 

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Online. 9 handed .25/.50 NL.

Hero is UTG with :qs::qh: and raises to $1.50. $53 to start hand.

MP calls.

CO raises to $3.09.
CO is $23 to start hand. No reads.

Folds back to Hero.
Hero 4 bets to $7.75.

MP folds.

CO calls quickly.

Hero largely agrees with @Rhodeman77 . Non-hands will likely fold to the small 4 bet, and this size gives rope for Villain to shove some worse hands. The intention after the raise is to never fold pre, and if just called for some reason, Hero has a pot sized bet left to make most post flop decisions easy. And this leaves some room to make a possible hero fold to MP if they back raise jam.

Pot: $17.75
Effective stack: $15.25
Flop: :ks::kd::tc:

Action on Hero. Play?
 

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I agree that once we raise we aren’t getting away from the hand unless he flats and the flop is AKx.

I don’t want to jam though as it allows him to fold hands we have crushed like JJ, 1010, 99, & AQ. And only leaves the very top of his range to call with, AA, KK, AK.
This is a good point. I wonder, though, is something like TT or 99 more likely to call a post flop all-in (which is really the only post-flop bet available) with a flop like :ad::jd::5s: or:ks::8s::6c: than call an all-in pre-flop? Maybe the latter, but probably not the former. Will they bluff at the pot if hero checks? Again, maybe, maybe not. It’s close. So, when in doubt, and you know you’re almost always getting it all-in without having a monster hand that you want somebody to catch up to a bit, I say get it in immediately.
 

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Only one move. All-in. You are never getting called with a lesser bet; villain only folding or moving all-in (and you auto-call). You can’t check.
 

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This is a good point. I wonder, though, is something like TT or 99 more likely to call a post flop all-in (which is really the only post-flop bet available) with a flop like :ad::jd::5s: or:ks::8s::6c: than call an all-in pre-flop? Maybe the latter, but probably not the former. Will they bluff at the pot if hero checks? Again, maybe, maybe not. It’s close. So, when in doubt, and you know you’re almost always getting it all-in without having a monster hand that you want somebody to catch up to a bit, I say get it in immediately.
I think 1010 and 99 should be folding or jamming preflop with how little they have left behind to our 4 bet. With our 4 bet we put Villian in a bad spot no matter how they play hand. They aren’t getting the right price or implied odds to set mine and if they 5 bet jam they are always getting called and at best a coin flip and most of the time dominated.

So even if they fold on the flop we make the extra money they put in calling the 4 bet that they probably save if we jam preflop and they fold.
 

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Only one move. All-in. You are never getting called with a lesser bet; villain only folding or moving all-in (and you auto-call). You can’t check.
I'd probably check to let him bet the rest of his stack. Don't want to scare him off if he has a hand like JJ or AQ. If you check and he bets 5 I'd be nurvas tho haha.
 

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I think 4 bet bigger pre, maybe $10 or so since OOP.

Flop I just check-call or maybe something really small like $4. Shouldnt use the big all-in sizing on the paired board, would be a big mistake especially this hand which is behind the calling range for that size.
 

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Continued...

Online. 9 handed .25/.50 NL.

Hero is UTG with :qs::qh: and raises to $1.50. $53 to start hand.

MP calls.

CO raises to $3.09.
CO is $23 to start hand. No reads.

Folds back to Hero.
Hero 4 bets to $7.75.

MP folds.

CO calls quickly.

Hero largely agrees with @Rhodeman77 . Non-hands will likely fold to the small 4 bet, and this size gives rope for Villain to shove some worse hands. The intention after the raise is to never fold pre, and if just called for some reason, Hero has a pot sized bet left to make most post flop decisions easy. And this leaves some room to make a possible hero fold to MP if they back raise jam.

Pot: $17.75
Effective stack: $15.25
Flop: :ks::kd::tc:

Hero checks.
Villain bets $6.

Hero tanked before checking, weighinh the options of open jamming and checking then calling a potential jam. Hero's thinking is it's a way ahead way behind situation. And since Hero is unlikely to fold to most action on this board, Hero wants to give AQ, AJ, JJ, or the possibly unlikely under pair a chance to do something crazy.

Good? Bad? Indifferent?

Action on Hero.
 

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So villain has only 10 behind after his $6 bet ?

my previous tough was down-bet to $7 and fold to a raise, now he leads for $6
I call
 

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Call makes the most sense to me. And on the turn I think we’re happy to call this down unless an Ace hits
 

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He only has $10 left after the $6 bet lets just get it now. If he even just some AQ or AJ type hand he is getting a good price to call with the over card and gutter ball (AQ) he doesn’t know he can’t hit it with AJ.
 

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Haha gross. Yeah, agree with Rhodeman. He would call with anything except his sickest bluffs. Make him pay for the his couple outs and gg AK, 10-10.
 
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What’s he going to do now, fold? Get it in. He’s not folding to anything and neither are you. It’s all going in at some point, anyway.
 

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Conclusion...

Online. 9 handed .25/.50 NL.

Hero is UTG with :qs::qh: and raises to $1.50. $53 to start hand.

MP calls.

CO raises to $3.09.
CO is $23 to start hand. No reads.

Folds back to Hero.
Hero 4 bets to $7.75.

MP folds.

CO calls quickly.

Hero largely agrees with @Rhodeman77 . Non-hands will likely fold to the small 4 bet, and this size gives rope for Villain to shove some worse hands. The intention after the raise is to never fold pre, and if just called for some reason, Hero has a pot sized bet left to make most post flop decisions easy. And this leaves some room to make a possible hero fold to MP if they back raise jam.

Pot: $17.75
Effective stack: $15.25
Flop: :ks::kd::tc:

Hero checks.
Villain bets $6.

Hero tanked before checking, weighing the options of open jamming and checking then calling a potential jam. Hero's thinking is it's a way ahead way behind situation. And since Hero is unlikely to fold to most action on this board, Hero wants to give AQ, AJ, JJ, or the possibly unlikely under pair a chance to do something crazy.

Hero jams as he got the possible bluff he wanted.

Villain snap calls with :as::kh:.

Final board: :ks::kd::tc::qc::7d:.
 
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