PAHWM - 10/20c online poker 300bb deep (1 Viewer)

[LeLe]

Game is my 10/20c Online session with the PCF chippers.

I been trying out a few thing online at micro stake as the stake is lower plus it way easier to track back hand history if I want to and also to improve my poker skill.

Villain of this hand is a regular and we played a lot of hands with each another previously. He is a pretty aggressive player that raise often pre flop mixed in more call when more players are in the hand, a bit stationy post flop, but also is capable of finding some folds and mixed in with bluff. I felt he's one of the 2 most unpredictable player in the lineout so I tend to play a lot of hands with him.

Effective stack: $60 (300bb)

Fold to me at CO

I raised with a standard raise of 70c

Button (Villain) Raise to $2.40

Fold to me. I felt like it a Button raise and we are deep enough so I called.

2 players in Pot.

Pot: $5.10
Effective Stack : $57.60
Flop: []

HERO... Bet? If so, sizing and why? Check? If so, why?

 

[warma]

Much easier to select cards than typing number and suit.

 

[perfectjawnz]

pure check, neither of you should really have 22 or 33 in range, but BU has all overpairs.

 

[stefalopod]

I don't think there's a wrong play. I'd mix it up but favor a check. The advantage of a bet here is you might get a check-back on the turn, which is less likely if you check-call. Plus, if that shows up then you'll be pretty face-up after a check-call. Still, you're out of position so I'd check here most (60-70%?) of the time.

 

[Kain8]

Happily check/call. I'd hate to lead out and get raised off of my equity here.

 

[LeLe]

Game is my 10/20c Online session with the PCF chippers.

I been trying out a few thing online at micro stake as the stake is lower plus it way easier to track back hand history if I want to and also to improve my poker skill.

Villain of this hand is a regular and we played a lot of hands with each another previously. He is a pretty aggressive player that raise often pre flop mixed in more call when more players are in the hand, a bit stationy post flop, but also is capable of finding some folds and mixed in with bluff. I felt he's one of the 2 most unpredictable player in the lineout so I tend to play a lot of hands with him.

Effective stack: $60 (300bb)

Fold to me at CO

I raised with a standard raise of 70c

Button (Villain) Raise to $2.40

Fold to me. I felt like it a Button raise and we are deep enough so I called.

2 players in Pot.

Pot: $5.10
Effective Stack : $57.60
Flop: []

I Checked with the intention of Check-call if the bet is small (less than 1/3) or overbet & Check-raise if the bet is half pot (I notice villain tend to bet half pot when he don't have a very strong holding or just 2 high cards as the pre-flop aggressiver )

Continue.. Part 2

I Check
Villain Bet Half Pot $2.55

Villain did indeed bet half pot as 1 of the anticipated case-scenarios.

HERO... Check-raise as intended? If so, sizing and why? Call? If so, why? FOLD? which is prob not in my consideration here as the bet sizing is not overpot

 

[warma]

Pot

V’s aggressive and bluffs, you’re in a good position. Plus, you’re looking to try a few things and pot size isn’t going to bankrupt you.

 

[perfectjawnz]

Not a huge fan of x/r here, but maybe that's just my passive tendencies OOP speaking. I can't really figure out what value you'd have here that wants to x/r. Maybe 77-TT? But against V continue range, you're not doing amazing. It also partially depends on how V plays these spots. If he's betting half pot w/ his whole range, a x/r makes more sense. But if he's selective about what he's betting, and not betting stuff like KQo or AJo (no diamond), I'm not a fan.

Furthermore, if he's aggressive and a thinking player, he'll have some 3! with stuff like QQ/JJ, AXdd and you'll have to fold out your equity. Especially b/c you're playing deep - you don't want to bloat the pot unnecessarily OOP.

I'd just call here and see the turn.

 

[LeLe]

Game is my 10/20c Online session with the PCF chippers.

I been trying out a few thing online at micro stake as the stake is lower plus it way easier to track back hand history if I want to and also to improve my poker skill.

Villain of this hand is a regular and we played a lot of hands with each another previously. He is a pretty aggressive player that raise often pre flop mixed in more call when more players are in the hand, a bit stationy post flop, but also is capable of finding some folds and mixed in with bluff. I felt he's one of the 2 most unpredictable player in the lineout so I tend to play a lot of hands with him.

Effective stack: $60 (300bb)

Fold to me at CO

I raised with a standard raise of 70c

Button (Villain) Raise to $2.40

Fold to me. I felt like it a Button raise and we are deep enough so I called.

2 players in Pot.

Pot: $5.10
Effective Stack : $57.60
Flop: []
I Check
Villain Bet Half Pot $2.55

Continue.. Part 3

This is where I am divided, I not sure if x/c or x/r is the right move.
Ultimately, I choose to x/r at Pot after a short tank

I raises to $7.50
Villain Called

Pot: $20.10
Effective Stack : $50.10*
Turn: []

It a blank unless Villain have 89s, 9Ts or 99

HERO... Bet? If so, sizing and why? Check? If so, why?

 

[perfectjawnz]

BU really shouldn't have much 9X in range, since you decided to x/r, I think you have to continue barreling here and pray that BU folds an overpair or overcards. This is why I think x/c is much better, all of your "value" is now diminished to second pair (except if you have a full house or exactly TT), and even on something like a 7d, it feels really awkward to keep betting after getting called since V has all AA/KK and AXdd in range still.

Does 77/88 want to keep betting? I would lean towards no, so it feels like you only have the fd semi bluff here. As played, I guess go for a 40% bet and jam on non terrible rivers? I don't see any other way you can win this hand.

I'm curious how many combos of value you have here vs bluffs. What other hands are you playing like this?

Edit: also, something that wasn't discussed is the potential 4bet by hero preflop. KTs is one of the better 4bet bluffing candidates here imo, as it really doesn't like being OOP to the PFA, and it has good blocker potential + you're deeper, so things like AQo get devalued, while flush/straight hands are slightly more valued. I'm not familiar with playing 300bb deep, but thought it might be useful to think about. I might also just find a fold, considering you already opened to 3.5bb, and V 3! to almost 3.5x, although you are playing deeper.

 

[LeLe]

Edit: also, something that wasn't discussed is the potential 4bet by hero preflop. KTs is one of the better 4bet bluffing candidates here imo, as it really doesn't like being OOP to the PFA, and it has good blocker potential + you're deeper, so things like AQo get devalued, while flush/straight hands are slightly more valued. I'm not familiar with playing 300bb deep, but thought it might be useful to think about. I might also just find a fold, considering you already opened to 3.5bb, and V 3! to almost 3.5x, although you are playing deeper.

Very good point taken, +1

 

[grebe]

Game is my 10/20c Online session with the PCF chippers.

I been trying out a few thing online at micro stake as the stake is lower plus it way easier to track back hand history if I want to and also to improve my poker skill.

Villain of this hand is a regular and we played a lot of hands with each another previously. He is a pretty aggressive player that raise often pre flop mixed in more call when more players are in the hand, a bit stationy post flop, but also is capable of finding some folds and mixed in with bluff. I felt he's one of the 2 most unpredictable player in the lineout so I tend to play a lot of hands with him.

Effective stack: $60 (300bb)

Fold to me at CO

I raised with a standard raise of 70c

Button (Villain) Raise to $2.40

Fold to me. I felt like it a Button raise and we are deep enough so I called.

2 players in Pot.

Pot: $5.10
Effective Stack : $57.60
Flop: []

HERO... Bet? If so, sizing and why? Check? If so, why?

I Like the lead raise. Assuming this is full table? I we are not happy with the 3 bet. Call is fine....but I could get behind a fold here too. We are deep, which is good, but we are out of position in a hand easily dominated, which is bad and worse, especially with a hard to read good player.

Flop: Never leading here. Play in flow. Check/call a standard bet. He probably missed, but you probably missed too. This flop favors Villain's range as both are to likely have missed.

 

[kirchhausen]

$12 bet here sets you up to shove $30 into $44 pot. Perfect sizing.

 

[grebe]

Continue.. Part 3

This is where I am divided, I not sure if x/c or x/r is the right move.
Ultimately, I choose to x/r at Pot after a short tank

I raises to $7.50
Villain Called

Pot: $20.10
Effective Stack : $42.60
Turn: []

It a blank unless Villain have 89s, 9Ts or 99

HERO... Bet? If so, sizing and why? Check? If so, why?

Interesting to see you are still considering leading in to V. I see no reason to do that.

9 is a weird card. I see you have a bunch of suited connectors in V's range here, you should have them as well. We are still pretty neutral on who this board favors, but your range is less top heavy than his (a beheaded range if you will).

We are still playing in flow. I call a decent raise here. Fold is not awful to anything north of 2/3 pot.

CRAP...just saw you check-raised the flop. This is a mistake I think. What are you repping? 22? Any 2? 33? All those hands would not raise the flop. So what are you left with? 44-TT and flush draws, which he probably is beating right now. He has all the pairs, you do not.

Now, what do you do on the turn? You are in a bit of a pickle, out of position in a bloated pot with no range advantage and K high. I think given the circumstances, check/fold is probably optimal. If you hit your flush, I doubt you get paid. If you pair up on the river, you could very well be dominated and can't bet for value. I just see no upside here.

 

[grebe]

$12 bet here sets you up to shove $30 into $44 pot. Perfect sizing.

This seems wreckless, but it's probably the only way we are winning here unless we bink the flush.

 

[Eriks]

Since I was at the table and am skewd by results I’ll shut up, but it was a pretty cool hand. I will say that villain is arguably the best player at the table with plenty of tricks up his sleeve and a very good feel for where he is at.

 

[LeLe]

Game is my 10/20c Online session with the PCF chippers.

I been trying out a few thing online at micro stake as the stake is lower plus it way easier to track back hand history if I want to and also to improve my poker skill.

Villain of this hand is a regular and we played a lot of hands with each another previously. He is a pretty aggressive player that raise often pre flop mixed in more call when more players are in the hand, a bit stationy post flop, but also is capable of finding some folds and mixed in with bluff. I felt he's one of the 2 most unpredictable player in the lineout so I tend to play a lot of hands with him.

Effective stack: $60 (300bb)

Fold to me at CO

I raised with a standard raise of 70c

Button (Villain) Raise to $2.40

Fold to me. I felt like it a Button raise and we are deep enough so I called.

2 players in Pot.

Pot: $5.10
Effective Stack : $57.60
Flop: []
I Check
Villain Bet Half Pot $2.55
I raises to $7.50
Villain Called

Pot: $20.10
Effective Stack : $50.10*
Turn: []

Continue.. Part 4

Thanks & liking all the comments on how each part should or shouldn't have done, this is the reason for doing this thread Keep it up

As I like to say In Poker, you either winning or learning. You don't lose.

I bets $12
V calls $12

Pot: $44.10
Effective Stack : $38.10
River: []

A5s got there if not it a blank, I don't think 56s will have continue after the turn bet. 9 & above will have re-raise at the turn

FYI, I Tanked for quite awhile at this part after the River and I putting the V either at A high with a face card, or Middle pair 55 to 88.

HERO... Bet? If so, sizing and why? Check? If so, why?

 

[warma]

Hmmmm…

 

[perfectjawnz]

why are you putting V on Ace high or middle pair and not an overpair? I think a lot 55-88 folds OTT (more 55 than 88 but still)

At this point, given the SPR and considering the line you took, you only really have one bet size left and that's to jam (if you bet).

I guess you have to hope he's on AXdd and not TT+, else I don't think he's going fold. I'm honestly leaning towards giving up, holding KTdd is really bad here since you're blocking a massive number of hands that would fold, and he basically only has AQdd, AJdd since he 3! preflop.

 

[turtle]

Jamming could fold out some sticky under pairs. However, I think villain has more over pairs which are likely to call any bet on the river due to the SPR. In addition even if they had under pairs, you still might get heroed due to missed draws, likely giving up here.

 

[warma]

If this were a home game, I would have fun and shove and reload. Given that it’s online with PCF chippers and there’s a great PWHWM to be had, I’d also shove. At these prices, it’s entertainment for me. Which is also why I rarely play at casinos.

 

[grebe]

Pot: $44.10
Effective Stack : $38.10
River: []

A5s got there if not it a blank, I don't think 56s will have continue after the turn bet. 9 & above will have re-raise at the turn

FYI, I Tanked for quite awhile at this part after the River and I putting the V either at A high with a face card, or Middle pair 55 to 88.

HERO... Bet? If so, sizing and why? Check? If so, why?

Your range does not fit the action. Why are you taking all his hands 99 and stronger out? He has called your check raise, and your turn bet. What makes you think he cant have big pairs here?

I really don't like your line here, because you are not repping anything but a missed flush draw that makes sense. You can bomb it and put AA to a tough decision, but I am going to call you....ESPECIALLY if I have the .

Jam and pray.

 

[kirchhausen]

You aint gonna win if you dont jam it in