PAHWM: $1/$3 NLHE 66 (1 Viewer)

[Payback]

Been at this game for a little over 7 hours and have ran pretty well in the first few hours taking my initial $300 into a little over $1200. Didn't lose any major hands I was involved with. The last few hours have been a different story. Very card dead and didn't win many hands. Overall, I've been a lot less active, but am still getting a lot of action from the whole table when I bet/raise.

Previous big hands with players involved:

Old guy: Doubled me up in the first orbit at the table where I had 76s on a flop of K64 and bet/3bet all in vs. his AK. He just smooth called my PF raise in this hand. Later on he 3 bet me and I folded KQo as he said he learned his lesson. Mostly limps/calls PF and has raised less than 10 hands in 7 hours I've played with him. Won a monster pot where he turned the nuts on a 4 flush board and another old man who wanted to go home shoved 200 into him with a straight....

Crazy Asian: Just as his name sounds. One hand I raised with AKo, he 3 bet, I called. Flop AJ9. I c/c, turn T, c/c, River 8, c/c. MHIG. A few orbits previously. I straddle on the button and look down at AA. Two limp including crazy to me, I raise to $35, only crazy calls. Flop 875. He checks, I bet 60. He calls. Turn 4. He shoves all in for 100ish. I call. He says, "Oh shit. Need 6" River 6. He shows Q9o.


New Guy: Can't follow the action and has acted out of turn on multiple hands and just called a $100 river bet with QT on an AA59K board and rolled his hand over after his opponent showed AJ. Basically a dream.


Stacks:
Old guy: $800
Crazy Asian: $270
New Guy: $250
Button: $150
Hero: $950


OG UTG+1 raises to $20, one call, CA calls, I call with , button calls, NG calls from BB.

Flop $121

NG bets $3, OG raises to $15, one fold, CA shoves for $250, action on me with button still to act

 

[BGinGA]

Assuming you still have all villains covered (didn't state your current stack size), I think I just flat the $250 all-in (smells like desperate flush draw) and hope that OG shoves his overpair to make a nice side-pot. If OG just calls, I'm getting the rest in on the turn

 

[Payback]

Assuming you still have all villains covered (didn't state your current stack size), I think I just flat the $250 all-in (smells like desperate flush draw) and hope that OG shoves his overpair to make a nice side-pot. If OG just calls, I'm getting the rest in on the turn

Added stack size in and you unintentionally pointed about another error to me. I changed the 4 of clubs on the flop to a spade as it was rainbow as I remember thinking a flush draw wasn't possible. That's what I get for doing this after playing and not in the morning...

 

[BGinGA]

Okay, so in action order on flop (stack sizes at start of hand, everybody in for $20 pre-flop, pot = $121)

New Guy: $250 - bets $3 (WTF?)
Old guy: $800 - raises to $15 (WTF?)
unknown flop caller - folds
Crazy Asian: $270 - raises to $250 all-in
Hero: $950 - ??
Button: $150

Still just calling, I think. CA's bet is the only one that makes any sense, and probably makes zero sense if we could see his cards. Focus should be on getting OG's stack in the middle, especially with no flush draw. I think he's more likely to shove over Hero's call than call a re-raise now by Hero.

 

[colter ripton]

I'm smooth calling here also. If the old man shoves over the top I'm snap calling. I doubt he has 53 or 58. 77 is possible, but I'm looking to get it in here if I can.

 

[davin]

Been at this game for a little over 7 hours and have ran pretty well in the first few hours taking my initial $300 into a little over $1200. Didn't lose any major hands I was involved with. The last few hours have been a different story. Very card dead and didn't win many hands. Overall, I've been a lot less active, but am still getting a lot of action from the whole table when I bet/raise.

Previous big hands with players involved:

Old guy: Doubled me up in the first orbit at the table where I had 76s on a flop of K64 and bet/3bet all in vs. his AK. He just smooth called my PF raise in this hand. Later on he 3 bet me and I folded KQo as he said he learned his lesson. Mostly limps/calls PF and has raised less than 10 hands in 7 hours I've played with him. Won a monster pot where he turned the nuts on a 4 flush board and another old man who wanted to go home shoved 200 into him with a straight....

Crazy Asian: Just as his name sounds. One hand I raised with AKo, he 3 bet, I called. Flop AJ9. I c/c, turn T, c/c, River 8, c/c. MHIG. A few orbits previously. I straddle on the button and look down at AA. Two limp including crazy to me, I raise to $35, only crazy calls. Flop 875. He checks, I bet 60. He calls. Turn 4. He shoves all in for 100ish. I call. He says, "Oh shit. Need 6" River 6. He shows Q9o.


New Guy: Can't follow the action and has acted out of turn on multiple hands and just called a $100 river bet with QT on an AA59K board and rolled his hand over after his opponent showed AJ. Basically a dream.


Stacks:
Old guy: $800
Crazy Asian: $270
New Guy: $250
Button: $150
Hero: $950


OG UTG+1 raises to $20, one call, CA calls, I call with , button calls, NG calls from BB.

Flop $121

NG bets $3, OG raises to $15, one fold, CA shoves for $250, action on me with button still to act

I smooth call, rainbow board with only cards to worry about is 77 if he has 77 so be it it’s a bad beat and if ur folding 66 in this spot id say your playing scared money.

 

[Kain8]

OG doesn't have a straight, so you're pretty much only dead against top set. Flat call and see what OG does.

 

[DrStrange]

I vote Hero should flat and trap.

The smaller stack villains are now irrelevant, either all-in the pot or folded. But there is plenty of action left vs Old Guy - $550 effective stacks. Let's give him a chance to lose the whole stack.

 

[JustinInMN]

Here are my questions.

1) If you reshove is OG calling with qq+, if not score one for flat.

2) How many fives can OG have in his range. If he lives up to his stereotype, score one for flat.

I could also see a case for going like 500 here to see if you can get extra value out of og with qq+. But flatting may work as well. Maybe he's ready to shove qq+ after you flat.

Just wanted to bring up a couple questions to consider, but I think flat is best most of the time in this spot.

 

[WedgeRock]

Folding middle set here is an exploitable leak against OG.

5x8x is solidly in CA's range

 

[Payback]

Here are my questions.

1) If you reshove is OG calling with qq+, if not score one for flat.

2) How many fives can OG have in his range. If he lives up to his stereotype, score one for flat.

I could also see a case for going like 500 here to see if you can get extra value out of og with qq+. But flatting may work as well. Maybe he's ready to shove qq+ after you flat.

Just wanted to bring up a couple questions to consider, but I think flat is best most of the time in this spot.

Honestly I didn't even consider the NG action as a bet so when OG bets 15 into this flop I thought I was strange, maybe a scared 99-JJ type hand trying to see where he's at. CA action made this hand extremely complicated as now I felt like I have to define my hand faster than I wanted as any action I take makes me look super strong. I felt like if I raise to $500 he folds 100% of the time, as he can never have 85s or 35s, but in his eyes I maybe could. This could leave me HU or at worst 3 ways with NG & CA which seems like a dream scenario, except for I want OG stack if I can get it (button only has $130 left so I discount his actions here). If I flat, what does he call with and that's the part I was having a hard time assigning a range too given that he bet $15 on this flop.

 

[Payback]

Folding middle set here is an explottable leak against OG.

5x8x is solidlt in CA's range

Honestly I put him on a flopped straight, set, 2 pair, or a one pair hand that also has a 5, at worst maybe 89. I figured I was behind 20% time and ahead 80% here vs. him.

 

[WedgeRock]

Honestly I put him on a flopped straight, set, 2 pair, or a one pair hand that also has a 5, at worst maybe 89. I figured I was behind 20% time and ahead 80% here vs. him.

Agreed.

My line would be to get OG's money in to possibly offset CA's winner. I think you accomplish that best by flatting with a plan to shove/call a shove.

Best case scenario, you beat them both. And if OG has 77 and CA flopped/hits a straight, well... that's poker.

 

[Jimulacrum]

I'm on board with flatting here. There are probably only a couple hands a shove is getting action from, but a call might make your range look a bit wider and entice a big overpair to stick around.

 

[DoubleEagle]

Define “Old Guy.”

 

[saleen121212]

Following

 

[Payback]

Define “Old Guy.”

He was about 60-65, white, and well off. Everyone, dealers and players knew him by name, which is off as I'm there 1-2x a week and have never seen him before.

Also, if it matters, Crazy Asian is a 7 star status member that won a 50k car last year and didn't pay a dime in taxes as the casino just counted it against losses.

I'll give a bit longer and then will move on in the action.

 

[ChaosRock]

I keep going back and forth on this one, Bill. I think it's pretty close between calling and shoving. I definitely want to get OG's stack in there but not sure if the trap is the way better than shoving and getting a crying call from a good overpair. I think I lean slightly towards a flat and hope he will lead the turn. I think if you feel the table is gambly, you shove. If you think it's more tricky, I'd just flat. I think it's close and neither is a mistake imo.

 

[DoubleEagle]

Just yanking your chain. I’m an old guy.

 

[DoubleEagle]

He was about 60-65, white, and well off. Everyone, dealers and players knew him by name, which is off as I'm there 1-2x a week and have never seen him before .

Just yanking your chain. I’m an old guy.

 

[Payback]

Just yanking your chain. I’m an old guy.

I figured as much, but for some people that detail is very important so I included it just in case.

 

[Frogzilla]

Definitely not folding. If OG has an overpair we hope to stack him. I call here and hope OG calls behind

 

[Payback]

Stacks:
Old guy: $800
Crazy Asian: $270
New Guy: $250
Button: $150
Hero: $950


OG UTG+1 raises to $20, one call, CA calls, I call with , button calls, NG calls from BB.

Flop $121

NG bets $3, OG raises to $15, one fold, CA shoves for $250, I call, button folds, NG calls all in, OG thinks for about 2 minutes looks like he's ready to fold once or twice then says, "You wouldn't believe my hand." A few moments later he calls.

Turn $1,121

OG checks with about $530 left in his stack, my action.

 

[BGinGA]

Shove, with the comment, "You're right, I don't believe your hand."

 

[MegaTon44]

Gotta jam. OG likely has an overpair or set raising in EP and can't fold it. Who knows what the others have, but you crush nearly the entire range of everyone else.

Push it all in and get ready to reload.

 

[WedgeRock]

Sounds like OG flopped top set and was ready to lay it down to the made straight. Check.

Its that or AA. If its AA, we're dodging a two-outer on the river. If he's calling now, he's calling river. Let's see what happens.

 

[BGinGA]

Sounds like OG flopped top set and was ready to lay in down to the made straight. Check.

Its that or AA. If its AA, we're dodging a two-outer on the river.

 

[DrStrange]

An overpair has four outs vs Hero's under-full house. A third seven is as bad as someone binking a two outer match to their overpair.

As for Hero's decision. It isn't much of a decision - jam all-in and hope for the best. Hero isn't check / folding for a half pot bet. No reason to be tricky any more. Hero has enough of a pot that villain will be hard pressed to fold an overpair facing a half pot jam from Hero. Just get it in and hope things work out.

DrStrange

 

[Frogzilla]

I tend to downbet dry side pots. So I like firing $150 here fairly often, which also lets us bluff the river occasionally. It’s also small enough to put straight and backdoor flush draws in a weird spot. Boats are absolutely in my bet range, so $150 it is.

I don’t know if it’s a good strategy, but YOLO let’s downbet.

 

[Jimulacrum]

OG's comment does sound like he's lamenting being dealt top set in a spot where it seems like the straight is out.

That said, you can't give so much weight to a remark like that with such a strong hand, with a $1,000+ pot and about $500 left to play. If he has it, he has it. He could also be groaning about 35 or AA or a few other hands. Last opportunity to get away from this hand was on the flop.

Shove until you can't shove no more.