RichMahogany
Straight Flush
Le sigh.
I don’t think I’m ever folding here. If he’s got the winner, c’est la poker.
I don’t think I’m ever folding here. If he’s got the winner, c’est la poker.
PAHWM - $1/$2 in Veags (pre-covid) (1 Viewer)
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@upNdown , @Legend5555 yeah, it seems I was wrong.
boltonguy
Flush
V1: check
Hero: bets ~35
V2: calls
V1: raise to 100
Hero: calls
Like @RichMahogany said, I puked first, then called. Like most of the discussion here, I was in between a jam and a call. It felt a tad spewy to jam here (at least thats how I felt in the moment). I'm putting him on JK, QT, draw or air. I'm not putting him on AA, KK, or JJ at this point. We have blockers to AA and KK (obviously not out of the question, but still slim). And the action thus far doesnt seem to jive with those hands. Min raise pre-flop UTG with any of those holdings wouldnt make sense. He did this before with AA but he was in late position. Plus, no re-re-raise pre flop. And this means he would have drilled the flop and the check raise says good hand/draw to me instead of a set. Again, this is based on how he has been playing. He liked to be sneaky, so I could have seen him just calling the flop bet if he had a set. So I make the call based on that, and let a card peel off. It helps a) I have a position on him and b) V2 is visually done with the hand.
on to the turn...
V1: all-in
Hero: ?? (besides puking)
Some live tells: He started to intently stare at me and talking. This wasnt exactly out of character for him, but its worth noting.
Did V2 fold to the flop raise to 100 by V1?
Rhodeman77
Straight Flush
Call. The board has enough draws that he isn’t only betting made hands that beat us.
Chippy McChiperson
4 of a Kind
Snap call, usually the staring intently is a bluff tell. I’m guessing he has Qhxh.
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Regularjohn
Straight
yep sorry, should have called that out.
before I go on with what I did, going to add more tells that progressed...
I went deep into the tank, and I apologized to the table for taking so long. V1 continued his staring and table talk. After a while I told him what I had, which was why I was taking so long on a decision. The moment I did that, he stopped the table talk and started staring at the table instead of me. After a minute or 2 he asked the waitress for some water.
boltonguy
Flush
So V1 min-raises. I dont think that tells us much about his range except that you noted he had min-raised AA earlier so he can still be uncapped here.
Then he checks a flop that would smash his range, planning to X/R and does so into two players = very strong, indicating that he is at the top of his range.
He would probably play a NFD, SD or a hand that doesnt want to be out-drawn by the front door flush like a set this same way. So the action IMHO doesnt help us narrow it down except it is a high equity holding. JJ, QT could play this way. I dont think QThh plays this way.
He jams a blank turn. Is he still trying to win the pot before the FD gets there? Jamming here doesnt seem like the nuts (QThh), but lots of strong holdings like AA, KK, JJ may jam here to shut it down facing the FD.
My math shows pot is $474 and you have $288 to call? So about 1.7:1 odds.
Every time I call here I am beat, and I think at these stakes they have it so I sigh/fold.
Then he checks a flop that would smash his range, planning to X/R and does so into two players = very strong, indicating that he is at the top of his range.
He would probably play a NFD, SD or a hand that doesnt want to be out-drawn by the front door flush like a set this same way. So the action IMHO doesnt help us narrow it down except it is a high equity holding. JJ, QT could play this way. I dont think QThh plays this way.
He jams a blank turn. Is he still trying to win the pot before the FD gets there? Jamming here doesnt seem like the nuts (QThh), but lots of strong holdings like AA, KK, JJ may jam here to shut it down facing the FD.
My math shows pot is $474 and you have $288 to call? So about 1.7:1 odds.
Every time I call here I am beat, and I think at these stakes they have it so I sigh/fold.
Legend5555
Full House
Pot is 559, 288 to call.
36+35*2+100+65+288
Legend5555
Full House
For the most part, I don't weigh someone banter or lack thereof in my decisions. Especially if I don't know them. Some people go silent with big hands, some talk a lot, some do the same with bluffs. Unless you know them really well (and even then not always), none of this can mean much.
I suppose, if I was going to lean on the sudden silence meaning something, it MIGHT mean he has a hand that beats you because he's concerned that his banter seems strong.
I suppose, if I was going to lean on the sudden silence meaning something, it MIGHT mean he has a hand that beats you because he's concerned that his banter seems strong.
So I’d bet my stack that him stopping and staring at the table quietly was a reverse tell - he’s got that straight and he’s got you dead to 4 outs and he wants you to think he’s insecure because he wants you to call.
I’m still calling of course because I have a chance to win AND a chance to prove my read was right.
Everything you described says call to me, except maybe the asking for a glass of water, which screams of Hollywooding...
But based on your description it sounds like a call. In addition to the many hands already mentioned, such a loose villain could have all the worse aces, worse two pair, weak flush draws, Qx, TT, really any made hand with a redraw.
But based on your description it sounds like a call. In addition to the many hands already mentioned, such a loose villain could have all the worse aces, worse two pair, weak flush draws, Qx, TT, really any made hand with a redraw.
Whoever said "this feels like Jack's".... I agree. It feels like he has a "good" hand and he's blocking outs. Not the straight, aces and kings don't make a ton of sense.
I'm prob wrong and this guy has two wild cards or something. I kinda wanted updates too to how this goes.
I'm prob wrong and this guy has two wild cards or something. I kinda wanted updates too to how this goes.
boltonguy
Flush
My play has been 95% online (55k hands this year) and only two sessions of casino $1/$3 so I am out of my depth here - but I have a really hard time thinking someone could play this aggressively with TPGK, like worse Aces, e.g. A8o or even ATo which adds the str8 draw. Is live poker at these stakes really that poorly played? Online he has it 9.5 times out of 10.
RichMahogany
Straight Flush
They will play this way with much less than TPGK in live $1/$2, $1/$3
You know, when you’re playing live, one of the factors is a finite number of hands. If you’re only going to be there for 3-4 hours, you’re only going to see a hundred hands. It’s not like online multi-tabling, where you can just sit there and wait for the right hands and right situations. So what you call playing “that poorly,” they might call “playing.”
RichMahogany
Straight Flush
In my last card room session I called 3 streets against the same player in two different hands.
I had 2nd pair in one hand, 3rd pair in another. He showed down small pocket pairs both times and I won both pots. He was barreling large all day and showing down weaker than expected hands and I decided to mostly take a check/call approach with any made hand vs him
I had 2nd pair in one hand, 3rd pair in another. He showed down small pocket pairs both times and I won both pots. He was barreling large all day and showing down weaker than expected hands and I decided to mostly take a check/call approach with any made hand vs him
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Regularjohn
Straight
Yep. For someone who has strictly played online, and hops into a local casinos 1/2 or 1/3 game, youd be pretty shocked. If you compared live 1/2 vs online 1/2, its not even in the same universe. In live 1/2 or 1/3 you really need to adapt to the table, any number of goofy shit could be taking place....like this guy... he was a bit of a showmen. like I said in the beginning he liked to push people and loved to show bluffs/see the best hand get thrown in the muck. we all like to beat someone on a bluff, but he liked to pour a little salt in the wound and show the table.
Anyway, lets close this out...
I was REALLY torn on what to do. Like people have been going back and forth with, it came down to him having QT or a worse hand like TP + draw or worse two pair. I eliminated JJ because of the PF play. I dont see anyone really min raising jacks, maybe thats short sighted, but that be a wild play (not discounting it, just putting it on the not likely list). It really felt like this guy wanted a fold. And after his live tells, I was pretty well convinced. I snap called when he asked for a water. I know people mentioned this being a reverse tell, but it seemed genuine (the way he said it, his voice sounded dry, etc). People tend to clam up when scared, not when you are sitting there with the nuts. If it seemed cheesey when he asked for the water, I wouldnt have put that much stock into it, but it seemed real.
He turns over KJ for a worse 2 pair and we take it down.
I continued to hack away at some other pots and ended the night (morning) +1200.
I like how I played the hand, but there were some mistakes. Sizing PF and I think a jam on the flop might have been the best play.
Thanks for following along!
I continued to hack away at some other pots and ended the night (morning) +1200.
I like how I played the hand, but there were some mistakes. Sizing PF and I think a jam on the flop might have been the best play.
Thanks for following along!
I’m basing it mainly on the player description... But though overall I’d say live plays tighter than online, there are plenty of players I’ve encountered f2f who semibluff with a weak made hand plus a draw, either in a panic to try to salvage mistakes they made overplaying their hand earlier... or, if they think their opponent is too nitty and will fold everything but the nuts.
Curious to hear the results.
Erp! Just read the spoiler. Nice call. Makes sense.
Erp! Just read the spoiler. Nice call. Makes sense. He spazzed out to deny equity to your draws, with less of a made hand the he should have had to make that play. I’d actually like his shove a little better if he had AQ or KQ, because though his made hand would have been weaker, at least he’d be blocking more stuff.
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Regularjohn
Straight
That's a good point and a good perspective, never thought about it from his perspective, what his best play was considering
Rhodeman77
Straight Flush
What was the river card? Did the other villain give any indication as to what his hand was?
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Regularjohn
Straight
Don't remember, but it was a blank, similar to the turn.
I don't remember exactly, might have been a draw I believe.
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