Opinions on the Bellagio?

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As classic and timeless as the Bellagio is, consensus seems to have it that they have taken their foot off the gas a little, with their standard rooms lacking a little by today's standards.
That’s the story of Vegas. Build a big new fancy casino that is better than all the rest and then watch everyone else try to top it until you become the old hotel and get imploded for something newer and fancier.
 
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The Bellagio is still a great property and one of the best in Vegas, but as others have pointed out, it has been surpassed by hotels like the Wynn/Encore, Aria, and Cosmo. The reality is that its more than 20 years old (which is like 60 in Vegas years), Aria is now MGM's "premier" Vegas resort, and its in a weird ownership situation where MGM sold it to the Blackstone Group (who owns Cosmo), but still leases and operates the casino. As a result, neither MGM or Blackstone has any real interest in investing heavily in the property when they can instead focus on properties they own and operate outright.

Bellagio also suffers from the fact that it doesn't really have a theme. When you focus on "luxury" your age becomes very noticeable as other more luxurious properties open up. That's why I still love the Mirage even though its 30 years old; it has the right blend of high end options plus a noticeable theme that still makes it unique.

I'm not a huge fan of Sheldon Adelson for murdering online poker, but I stayed at the Venetian on a family trip back in January before COVID ruined everything and I was really impressed. Venetian's "standard" rooms are probably the best in Vegas. I'd rate Cosmo, Aria, Venetian/Palazzo, Wynn/Encore, and even Mirage (my personal favorite) over the Bellagio.
 

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If you like breakfast and don't mind walking for 10 min I always visit Hash House at the Linq on the strip. Whenever I bring the Mrs. we visit Peppermill up the strip as she likes the old school Vegas feel there, plus the food is delicious.

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Hash House is a food event. Peppermill has a cool vibe with ordinary breakfast.

In the strange hall thing that connects Paris and Bally's is a crepe place. I basically eat breakfast there most days.

La Creperie, across from the Paris buffet

Cheers for the thorough info — hugely appreciated. The hotel you were on about not living up to expectations in your first paragraph, did you mean The Venetian?

Need to learn how to play craps before we go as it looks like a lot of fun. Funny you should mention the casino at The Cromwell as that is one that I've eyeballs already — love the vibe there. Am I right in thinking they have $5 blackjack and craps there, too?

But their chips suck.

That's easy. Start with minimum place bets on the 5-6-8-9 and put the dealers up for $1 on each. They will be happy to show you how to play.
EDIT: Don't put any money on the prop bets in the middle

House edge on 5 and 9 is much higher. You can have a fun game if and your girl split 6 and 8 and see which number is luckier. After the point is established (look for the puck that says ON , that will be the point). If the puck says OFF then the game hasn't started yet. Put $6 each on the table anywhere within the dealer's reach and a say "place the 6 (or 8)" and the dealer will move the bet for you. If you win say, "same bet". If you want increase your bet after winning, say "add one unit", or "press" if you want to double your bet. Anytime you want to quit, say "take my bets down". This is for a $5 min bet table (Cromwell - but it can be hard to get on the table or Casino Royale). A $10 min bet table, you will have to start at $12 (units of $6). The units are $6 increments because a win will pay in units of $7. You can bet increments of $5 on 5 and 9 (win still pays $7) but as I said, the house edge is a lot higher.
 

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Hash House is a food event. Peppermill has a cool vibe with ordinary breakfast.



La Creperie, across from the Paris buffet



But their chips suck.



House edge on 5 and 9 is much higher. You can have a fun game if and your girl split 6 and 8 and see which number is luckier. After the point is established (look for the puck that says ON , that will be the point). If the puck says OFF then the game hasn't started yet. Put $6 each on the table anywhere within the dealer's reach and a say "place the 6 (or 8)" and the dealer will move the bet for you. If you win say, "same bet". If you want increase your bet after winning, say "add one unit", or "press" if you want to double your bet. Anytime you want to quit, say "take my bets down". This is for a $5 min bet table (Cromwell - but it can be hard to get on the table or Casino Royale). A $10 min bet table, you will have to start at $12 (units of $6). The units are $6 increments because a win will pay in units of $7. You can bet increments of $5 on 5 and 9 (win still pays $7) but as I said, the house edge is a lot higher.
My advice was geared to getting the dealers on your side and helping you to understand the game and win (based upon many years of dealing craps).
5-6-8-9 represent exactly 1/2 of all possible outcomes on any roll.
 

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My advice was geared to getting the dealers on your side and helping you to understand the game and win (based upon many years of dealing craps).
5-6-8-9 represent exactly 1/2 of all possible outcomes on any roll.
True, betting 2 numbers can be boring if they aren't hitting, though 6 and 8 are the most likely to hit. When I was a pass line bettor, I would try and play 3 numbers but now I am mostly a place bettor so I want the lowest house edge when I place and try to run it up.

From Wizard of Odds

Pass pays 1 to 1, house edge 1.41%

Place 6 and 87 to 61.52%
Place 5 and 97 to 54%
Place 4 and 109 to 56.67%

So you lose a little bit on placing 6 and 8 vs betting the pass line but you get to pick the numbers you want to play and when and you have the option to take your bets down anytime you feel like quitting, whereas you can never take down a Pass line bet until you win or lose. Big jump though on placing 5 and 9. Expected rolls to win/lose your bet is every 3.27 rolls for placing 6/8 vs 3.38 rolls for Pass so you still get a fair amount of action.

As long as the table is not too busy any dealer will be happy to explain the game without you needing to feed them money. Craps is a social game though so I wouldn't recommend an empty table because it is boring rolling the dice all the time and the game goes very quick. But if the table is empty, without playing, the dealers will still probably be willing to explain how the game goes.

But yeah craps is the only game where people genuinely cheer for the shooter because everyone wins or loses on that roll. You can bet against the shooter and yeah the odds are infinitesimally better but only a true nit would bet against the shooter. If people are betting against the shooter, odds are the table won't be fun and I will find another table. After/during a hot roll, players will actually toss money/make bets for the shooter to say thanks. Name me another casino game where this happens! I mean it's nice when someone at your table hits a blackjack but it doesn't affect you in any way. But when you roll a hard 10 and someone has a black chip on that bet, you bet they are pretty happy for you.

Dealers usually like to be in the game. At the end of a session if I have been winning or if the dealers have been particularly good or helpful I call out "all the hard ways for the dealers" and toss $4 out to the stickman. The stickman handles all the center bets. Then if a hard number comes up, the dealers get a nice tip. (22, 33, 44, 55). Best I ever did was a win on all 4 hard ways for a $36 tip. Of course you don't have to make bets for the dealers, you can toss whatever tip you want on the table and say "for the crew".

More than the game of golf there are a myriad of superstitions involved. Virgin shooters for some reason seem to be extra lucky. If the dice roll off the table, you get new dice, unless you call "same dice". It is considered bad luck to change the dice mid-roll so always do this. It is bad luck if you hit a chip with your dice on the throw. It is bad luck to say "7" at a table as this roll loses the game. If you need to talk about "7" at the table, always call it "big red".

But nothing matches the excitement of craps. In my lifetime I have witnessed the table require a fill twice and a third time they should have filled but the casino was closing shortly and they didn't want to bring more chips. The players trays were full and they were stuffing extra chips in their pants. The casino was actually colouring up the chips in the trays to $500s so they could continue to make payouts. Craziness!
 

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As long as the table is not too busy any dealer will be happy to explain the game without you needing to feed them money.
I agree with most of your post except this.
Most crap dealers make about minimum wage, less than minimum in many cases. It's all about dealing with superb skill and engaging players in a way that makes them want to tip.

Edit: To put a fine point on it, about 80% of my income is tips
 

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That’s the story of Vegas. Build a big new fancy casino that is better than all the rest and then watch everyone else try to top it until you become the old hotel and get imploded for something newer and fancier.
Surely they'd never get rid of the Bellagio though? But then again, they probably said that about the Riv etc.
 

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The Bellagio is still a great property and one of the best in Vegas, but as others have pointed out, it has been surpassed by hotels like the Wynn/Encore, Aria, and Cosmo. The reality is that its more than 20 years old (which is like 60 in Vegas years), Aria is now MGM's "premier" Vegas resort, and its in a weird ownership situation where MGM sold it to the Blackstone Group (who owns Cosmo), but still leases and operates the casino. As a result, neither MGM or Blackstone has any real interest in investing heavily in the property when they can instead focus on properties they own and operate outright.

Bellagio also suffers from the fact that it doesn't really have a theme. When you focus on "luxury" your age becomes very noticeable as other more luxurious properties open up. That's why I still love the Mirage even though its 30 years old; it has the right blend of high end options plus a noticeable theme that still makes it unique.

I'm not a huge fan of Sheldon Adelson for murdering online poker, but I stayed at the Venetian on a family trip back in January before COVID ruined everything and I was really impressed. Venetian's "standard" rooms are probably the best in Vegas. I'd rate Cosmo, Aria, Venetian/Palazzo, Wynn/Encore, and even Mirage (my personal favorite) over the Bellagio.

I think you've nailed it with regards to hotels with a theme! Vegas was built on theme hotels and, truth be told, if another one were to open today and be done well, I think it would smash it.

Also, we need to get you this mug by the sounds of it...

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I agree with most of your post except this.
Most crap dealers make about minimum wage, less than minimum in many cases. It's all about dealing with superb skill and engaging players in a way that makes them want to tip.

Edit: To put a fine point on it, about 80% of my income is tips
As I understand it craps dealers are actually decently paid given it's the most challenging game to deal. But I tip a LOT when I play craps winning or losing.
 
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