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Do most of you have separate sets for lower stakes cash games (.25, 1, 5, 25) and tournament games (25, 100, 500, 1000, 5000) OR do you just go with one master set for all occasions?

Thanks for the input.

Wells
 
Wrong group to ask. Most of us have multiple sets just for the heck of it. I'd guess it's pretty typical for people here to own 5ish sets, and there are plenty of people who own 10, 20, 30+ sets.
But to answer your question, I have separate sets for tournament and cash.
 
Wrong group to ask. Most of us have multiple sets just for the heck of it. I'd guess it's pretty typical for people here to own 5ish sets, and there are plenty of people who own 10, 20, 30+ sets.
But to answer your question, I have separate sets for tournament and cash.
Thanks for the input. I'm just starting, but will likely end up in the multiple sets category eventually, but am debating about my first custom set.
 
Wrong group to ask. Most of us have multiple sets just for the heck of it. I'd guess it's pretty typical for people here to own 5ish sets, and there are plenty of people who own 10, 20, 30+ sets.
But to answer your question, I have separate sets for tournament and cash.

lol............Only four cash sets here. Granted two of them are customs :)

Yes, for security reasons most will say that you should use two different sets for cash and tourney. Especially if the chips are interchangeable from your cash stakes to your tourney blinds.
 
When I first started chipping, I used to think that I “needed” the following types of sets:

A Paulson spotted, casino tourney set
A Paulson solid tourney set
A BCC spotted tourney set
A BCC solid tourney set
A custom quarter pie ASM/CPC tourney set
A custom ceramic set(cash or tourney)
One or two clay cash sets, wether BCC or Paulson

Funnily enough, I still feel this way :D
 
I find my players usually wanting to know what they are wagering for cash games, so for me using incorrect denoms has worked, but it can still cause some confusion. For instance, the current cash set we play with is 1/5/10 chips, but we play 10c/20c with them. So we play 1/2 NLHE but everything on the table is 10x it's actual cash value. I would prefer we all just say "bet 5" or "bet 25", but often people will say "bet 50c" or "what's the bet? $2.50?"

As the most seasoned player at my table, I'm more used to "speaking in blinds" but most everyone else is more inclined to know exactly what the value of the bet is when playing cash.

For that reason I suggest separate sets.

A T25 set can work in a pinch as long as the games are well separated and no mixing is possible.
 
Separate tournament and cash. Or to be specific...
  • Learners set - with stacks and stacks of T5s for games with larger numbers of new/inexperienced players
  • High-End Tournament set for the season-ending tournament and our "best" blind structure
  • Casino Tournament set for using a casino-styled blind structure
  • China clay set for some in-between tournaments
  • RT-Plastics with custom plaques for Casino Royale-like poker tournaments
  • Limit set - for limit poker games, obviously
  • Low-end cash set for nickel/dime cash games
  • Casino cash set for 25¢ or larger cash games
  • Cash set bought in tournament-like amounts for tournaments that use an ante
  • Non-denominated set for use on airplanes - can be used either cash or for tournaments
Sadly, this doesn't cover all of my sets. :oops:



Who am I kidding? Nobody's sad about having extra sets :D
 
Wrong group to ask. Most of us have multiple sets just for the heck of it. I'd guess it's pretty typical for people here to own 5ish sets, and there are plenty of people who own 10, 20, 30+ sets.
But to answer your question, I have separate sets for tournament and cash.

A lot of people here have a cash set and a tournament set for Monday, different ones for Tuesday, etc.....

And seasonal ones they rotate in every three months.
 
We only play a cash game in our group and yet I still have a tourney set... you know... just in case... cause I love me the chippies. :)

But for a while (back in the dark time) when I only thought I needed one set I was planning on using my cash set as a (micro?) tourney set (T25¢,1, 5, 20) if necessary.
 
I have 4 cash sets, a custom one, a semi custom one, a Paulson casino set and BCC limit set. I haven’t played a tournament in over a year or hosted one in 3+ years but I still have a 1000 chip CPC custom tournament set on order due any time now!

So yes, separate sets for cash and tournaments, even if you rarely play one form or the other. :D
 
I saw the title of this post and basically though of it as less sets vs more sets. “Gee” I said to myself, “I wonder how this will go?”

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Yeah, I should have prefaced the question with I don't have any set's that aren't plastic and covered in dice...
 
I saw the title of this post and basically though of it as less sets vs more sets. “Gee” I said to myself, “I wonder how this will go?”


I wanted to report this post, reason being “too awesome” but I don’t know if the mods would have sense of humor for it.
 
Thank you. My wife has already started rolling her eyes at me when I start talking about chips.
This site has a smiley-face for that. :rolleyes:

Do most of you have separate sets for lower stakes cash games (.25, 1, 5, 25) and tournament games (25, 100, 500, 1000, 5000) OR do you just go with one master set for all occasions?
If you'll never, ever, run a cash game at the same time/same day as a tourney, then you can get away with 1 master set. But I agree with posters above, if there's a cash game that follows after people bust out of the tourney, best to use completely different chips (i.e. $20 vs. $25) or different sets.
 
we started that way, nothing wrong with it, one set can get the job done, until you crave the next set
 
I saw the title of this post and basically though of it as less sets vs more sets. “Gee” I said to myself, “I wonder how this will go?”


Sorry to threadjack but I need more pics of this poker room. Specifically showing the walls. Wife just okayed a man cave makeover and that looks awesome!
 
I've addressed this issue before, but so the OP understands the issue, I'll put this out there again.

The issue with one set of chips for both uses is chip migration. Chip migration occurs when a tournament chip migrates to a cash game and there is no money in the cash kitty to cover that chip. That’s bad for the host, the banker, and/or the last people to cash out since the money in the kitty disappeared when others cashed out.

Tournament chips use fantasy values. The chips do not maintain their value throughout a tournament. Cash chips are using chips instead of cash. Those chips maintain their value throughout a game.

In a tournament, you might pay $20 and get 100,000 in chips. There is no correlation between the buy-in and the amount in chips. In a cash set, there is a direct correlation.

Suppose your players are trustworthy and would never deliberately migrate chips. That doesn’t fix the problem. Here’s what I saw happen where a cash game followed a tournament game, using the same set of chips.

Table gets bumped early in tournament (using 25/50/100/500/1000/5000/10,000 chips), and player raking large pot has chips all over the floor. Others help pick up chips.

Later, the cash game started at that table. Values of chips were the same except in pennies instead of points. Once again, player sitting in close to the same position has some chips dumped on floor. He picks them up (I wasn’t in it so don’t know if others helped). At the end of the night, there is $10 more in chips than there is in cash.

It isn’t hard to imagine what happened. The tournament player never noticed one of the 1000 chips on the floor, and neither did anyone else. When chips were dumped in the cash game, that 1000 chip got picked up without the player ever realizing he had picked up an extra $10 chip.

This involves no cheating, no deliberate chip migration, and no nefarious acts, but the pot is still $10 short. It’s an honest mistake, but who pays? Some players had already cashed out and gone home. Maybe one of them has $10 they didn’t actually earn. But how can you ask them to pay for something that wasn’t even discovered until after they left? And what if that had been a $50 or $100 chip? It’s the same problem, the consequences are just bigger.

It’s not hard to imagine T25 (T = tournament) as the lowest tournament chip, but being used for $25 in a cash game. That T25 is of little real value, providing just a small fraction of the starting chip stack (1-5%). When it is colored up, it has no more value in a tournament. So it moves to the cash game as the $25 chip. Similar scenario as above, but now the pot is $25 short. Some people will even do something like this. Make $ value different that T value. The T25 becomes the $100 chip. Now the pot is $100 short.

Now, suppose you are the banker, responsible for taking in cash and issuing the chips, and you are the one who has to pay for this. Really in a cash game, this is what SHOULD happen. But who in their right mind would be willing to be the banker with those rules that require the banker to pay for bank mistakes and accidental chip migration is a possibility because the chips are the same? No one in their right mind would do that if they understood the problem!

Or, what if there is such a banker, and he realizes that this has happened, he suddenly decides to go home and leave the banking to someone else. Even if you take away the first banker’s deliberate act, suppose he just goes home without noticing? I bet when that happens rarely are all chips turned in so the mistake is caught before changing bankers. The banker with no control winds up paying. For a lot of players, a cash set that only goes to $20 or $25 and a tournament set that starts at T25 or T100 works just fine. But you don’t have the same chips being used for both cash and tournaments.

That’s why I refuse to play cash games with tournament chips. If you are playing for money, buy two sets of chips. Before you have disaster strike, get a separate cash set and only use it for cash games. One disaster can cost you a lot more than the money lost that night. Your game might become known as a dishonest game and cost you players. Some would refuse to ever come back, and they might tell others.

The only way the same set of chips could be used would be if you did something like this. Cash chips are $.05/$.25/$1/$5/$20 or $25. Tournament chips are 25 (if not being used in cash game) - 100 - 500 - 1000 - 5000 - 25,000 - 100,000.

That makes sense, but it is actually two different chip sets! They just have the same mold and labels/inlays.
 

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