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Hi folks,

Looking to buy about 600 (maybe 700) chips and need stacks for 25/100/500/1k/5k/25k/

Starting stack is 12/12/5/6/2 for 20k starting stack. If we run two tables we use separate chips so just plan for 1 table of 10 and then color ups for the final table with this chip set. So if there is 20 players at 20k starting stacks that 400k in play. Add rebuys to be safe and I'd like 600-700k in chips. Cant figure out the best way to divide how many of each chip I would want. Any help would be appreciated. Here's what I've been pondering.

25x120
100x160
500x100
1000x140
5000x70
25000x10
Total Chips 600
Total Amount in 1k-25k is 740k

I kept the 25's at minimum buy in's because players can switch out at the table and 25's don't go far. Is this the best route to go? Thanks for the help!
 

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I haven't looked at the numbers yet, but some questions:

What do you mean by
If we run two tables we use separate chips
?

Regarding
I kept the 25's at minimum buy in's because players can switch out at the table and 25's don't go far.
You can keep the 100s at a minimum too. Or if you want more than 12 per player, add more to the starting stack.

To explain:
If 12 each is too few, so you want to add more later: Why have too few in the starting stack?
If 12 each is enough: Why add more later?

Generally, always include all lower denoms (in this case 25, 100, 500) in the starting stacks, and use higher denoms for color-ups and rebuys/addons.
 

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I don’t like the idea of mixing another chip set if you going to do 2 table tourney , a lot of potential problem

- colour issue
- dirty stack
- maybe different type of chip ( example plastic plus ceramic plus Clay)
- different stack height
- confusion among player, it could be worst then using Non-denomination chips

It better to get a 2 table tourney set and use the other set when you only going to run 1 table or just sell the 1 table tourney set for extra fund

Below Is an example for 2 table T25 chip set breakdown

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For 2 tables we use different chips at each table until the final table, then we color up and use one set.... I know it's stupid but it is what it is.

As far as the T25 chips go, I only want enough for the initial but in. If players get knocked out early and need t25 chips they can color out at the table. Easy to flip a player a t100 for four t25 chips

I don’t like the idea of using another chip set if you going to do 2 table tourney , a lot of potential problem

- colour issue
- dirty stack
- maybe different type of chip ( example plastic plus ceramic plus Clay)
- different stack height
- confusion among player, it quite me worst then using Non-denomination chips

It better to get a 2 table tourney set and use the other set of you only going to run 1 table or just sell the 1 table tourney set for extra fund

Below Is an example for 2 table T25 chip set breakdown

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Got it thanks
 

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Forget the 2nd table. It seems to be confusing people or is becoming the topic of focus which is not intended.

Looking for a 600 chip set that is around 650k in total. Looking for values for each 25,100,500,1k, 5k and 25k
 

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As far as the T25 chips go, I only want enough for the initial but in. If players get knocked out early and need t25 chips they can color out at the table. Easy to flip a player a t100 for four t25 chips
I agree, but why do you have more T100 than T25?
 

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Forget the 2nd table. It seems to be confusing people or is becoming the topic of focus which is not intended.

Looking for a 600 chip set that is around 650k in total. Looking for values for each 25,100,500,1k, 5k and 25k
The chip set you are suggesting could cover 2 tables if the breakdown is done properly and save you the trouble of having to exchange/color out chips for the final table. If it is an issue of table material etc various toppers are around that could help you out. Having to exchange sets of chips sounds like a nightmare to me and something you would do possibly once back in college.
If you are ordering a set why not clear the problem up all together and have a continuous easy transitional game.
 

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Can't since you brought it up. What if you have to move someone to balance tables before the final table?

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/basic-tournament-set-breakdowns-for-beginners-updated.49446/

If you want 20k stacks with a T25 set, then adjust what's in the above thread by adding extra 1k and 5k chips as you see fit.
Solid point. New to this whole thing. Thanks for the input

I agree, but why do you have more T100 than T25?
So with 10 players that have 12 t25 chips I now have zero left. I have an extra 40 t100 chips for this reason so I can give them an extra 3 on rebuys. So their starting stack would be 0/15/5/6/2.

The chip set you are suggesting could cover 2 tables if the breakdown is done properly and save you the trouble of having to exchange/color out chips for the final table. If it is an issue of table material etc various toppers are around that could help you out. Having to exchange sets of chips sounds like a nightmare to me and something you would do possibly once back in college.
If you are ordering a set why not clear the problem up all together and have a continuous easy transitional game.
You're not wrong.... Should just pony up for more chips. Or just change it to a different starting stack
 

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Forget the 2nd table.
Ain't gonna happen! :LOL: :laugh:
I know it's stupid but it is what it is.
I'm not gonna argue with the first part, but I don't agree that it has to stay as it is.
The only time I'd even consider two different sets is if the tourney is a shootout, and even then it would seem wrong.

Since you're in the market for a new set you have a great opportunity to fix this! :)
 

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So their starting stack would be 0/15/5/6/2.
Why add more T100 at rebuys? Weren't there enough T100 already at the table?

Same question for T500.

Why not just 4×5k, or 10×T1000+2×5k? (more T1000 helps the mid-game, hence the second suggestion)
 

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Why add more T100 at rebuys? Weren't there enough T100 already at the table?

Same question for T500.

Why not just 4×5k, or 10×T1000+2×5k? (more T1000 helps the mid-game, hence the second suggestion)
I'm glad I joined this forum, lots of knowledge to help out new guys!

Kinda goes back to the point where our guys like to have heaps of chips. It would make it easier just to give them 5k chips and have them make change at the table. Thanks!
 

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Give out rebuys in 5k chips and let the player get change at the table. Start the color up by having the big stacks buy up as many of the denom that’s going out as possible. Then make the color-up with bigger chips. Never color up with chips that will be colored up themselves later.

Also, and maybe I’m wrong, but to me a 25k chip seems unnecessary for a T20k tourney.
 

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Give out rebuys in 5k chips and let the player get change at the table. Start the color up by having the big stacks buy up as many of the denom that’s going out as possible. Then make the color-up with bigger chips. Never color up with chips that will be colored up themselves later.

Also, and maybe I’m wrong, but to me a 25k chip seems unnecessary for a T20k tourney.
Thanks for the reply. Never even thought of doing that until this thread.
 

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A good rule of thumb: ALL lower denom chips that I want in play are given out in starting stacks. After that, all new chips added are chips that will stay to the end. :)
 

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Kinda goes back to the point where our guys like to have heaps of chips. It would make it easier just to give them 5k chips and have them make change at the table. Thanks!
You can do both, if you want. I love heaps of chips, so my T20k tourneys start with 20/20/5/15.
If I would have rebuys (which I don't, I like freezouts) I would give out them in 5ks.
And since we have so many T1000 in play, even the first color-up of the T25s is done with T5k.

But with "just" 6 T1000 per player, more T1000 can be added at rebuys.
 

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Also, and maybe I’m wrong, but to me a 25k chip seems unnecessary for a T20k tourney.
I'm about to put this to the test. I have a 16-18 person tourney this weekend, 20k, T100 base, with re-entry for 2 hours (6 levels) and an add on. I don't think I'll need any 25k. But I have them just in case. I'm expecting 700-800k in play after add on.
 

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I'm about to put this to the test. I have a 16-18 person tourney this weekend, 20k, T100 base, with re-entry for 2 hours (6 levels) and an add on. I don't think I'll need any 25k. But I have them just in case. I'm expecting 700-800k in play after add on.
This tourney can very well end after the T1000 have been colored off. Without T25k, you need 140-160 T5k (perhaps more if you round up on color-ups). That's fine, but some T25k make sense. Perhaps about 100×T5k+10×T25k?

I usually look at
total_chip-value/high-denom
in your case 800k/25k=32. In my experience, at a result of ~20 they can be added for lolz, at ~30 they start being useful and after 40 they are needed.
 

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You don't need a 25k chips if you're starting at 25. In the WSOP, they didn't even have 25k chips until the early 2000s, and they spread way more than two tables.
 

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You don't need a 25k chips if you're starting at 25. In the WSOP, they didn't even have 25k chips until the early 2000s, and they spread way more than two tables.
To be fair, the WSOP has stacks and stacks and stacks of chips at the final table. Not very practical for a home game.

And it's not about the lowest chip value. Like, you can't say "if X is the lowest, you don't need Y'. It's about the total chip value and how many chips you want during the end game.

Example:
Ten player freezout, 10k stacks. 100k at the table. T25K chips, or even T5k, are a bit unnecessary.
20 player rebuy/addon with stacks of 20k. If 35% (i.e. 7) rebuy and everyone adds on, that's 940k in play. If you want 188 T5k on the table during heads-up, then fine, perfectly doable. If not, then some T25k won't hurt. :)
 

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Give out rebuys in 5k chips and let the player get change at the table. Start the color up by having the big stacks buy up as many of the denom that’s going out as possible. Then make the color-up with bigger chips. Never color up with chips that will be colored up themselves later.

Also, and maybe I’m wrong, but to me a 25k chip seems unnecessary for a T20k tourney.

Thanks for the reply. Never even thought of doing that until this thread.

This is the most efficient method as above but it is the only time I am in complete disagreement for how to do colour ups. Your method works great for friendly reasonable people....mix in alcohol and foolishness and problems could happen. I prefer to keep players from handling chips of other players at all so there is never a argument. I carry a extra rack and pay out all the 25's by buying out the big stacks and racing off the last few chips or just rounding up depending on the groups agreement for odd chips. I will try to pay out with the highest value chips possible for each player and carry enough extra chips in order to do so. This is how real casino's do it so I like to do the same. I have extra chips for rebuys eventually they can make change when the blinds come up or actually play their hands and change in that circumstance is allowed....otherwise at my games the house hands out and exchanges all chips. Beware this means your set needs more chips of the level 3-4 value of tourney chip you use and also ~1/2 barrel of level2 chips per table for color up convenience change (ie 500-1000 & in a T25 based tourney). I saw a really bad fight break out at a home game (not mine) a long time ago related to chip shuffling with a rebuy/color-up/add-on scenario where a player ended up with a extra chip somehow and there was concern with collusion with another player and in the long story it was the first time I ever stabilized a stab wound on a human. Since then my rule #44 for home poker is "the house is the only player that touches the chips other than the player Almost EVER!", All change if ever required is made by placing the high value chip on the playing surface prior to a hand then the change paying player puts out the equivalent value in lower chips and at that same time in observation of other players at the table chips are moved across. I simply cringe when i see players handing high value chips to players left/right and change is perceptively moved but how often is the "change" truly counted and the potential for shenanigans is to me not worth needing to source new clothes before going home from a card game lol.
 
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I saw a really bad fight break out at a home game (not mine) a long time ago related to chip shuffling with a rebuy/color-up/add-on scenario where a player ended up with a extra chip somehow and there was concern with collusion with another player and in the long story it was the first time I ever stabilized a stab wound on a human.
Wow! :wow:
Why do the best bad beat stories always involve a gut shot?
 

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Wow! :wow:
Why do the best bad beat stories always involve a gut shot?
landed in the forearm almost perfect through btw the Ulna and Radius, Was actually pretty cool, the jerk doing the sticking ran away/drove off fast meanwhile the guy stabbed did a quick block by raising his arm and took a blade and walked over to me to deal with it. I worked galloping thoroughbreds at Woodbine during that time and was routinely known as Dr Phil in jest of the tv show but also that I was known to patch people up that got hurt on the backside by horses falls or whatever. Many people used to come to me on the backside at the horse racetrack by that point if they didn't have health insurance (did they really need an xray?, did they need stitches?, what is this...? kind of stuff) anyway so it was just normal to deal with I guess.... I don't even remember that guy making a sound other than cuss words at the other jerk who fled. I don't know what happened after, I never ever went to that game again lol. Never ever ever have I ever had an issue like that at a game otherwise but I have always gone with my chips out front and handled by the house and player only rule to keep things as honest as I can.
 

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I would assume that the two different set approach worked like two seperate STTs that were combined to a FT once they both hit 5 players, rather than an MTT where tables were balanced as players got knocked out?
 
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