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How would you call this:

Player in middle position raises pre flop. Everyone folds, BB is not at the table.

Raiser mucks and starts to take the pot. Dealer says BB hasn't acted yet (still not at the table)

Dealer and raiser are arguing for a couple minutes. BB finally comes back and is not aware of what's going on.

BB sees the raise, looks at his hand and mucks (didn't realize the raiser doesn't have cards).

Dealer gives the pot to the BB.

Raiser calls for a ruling. Host doesn't want to get involved, says to let the dealer decide.
 
This is a dedicated dealer game? if he is dealing cards to people not sitting down, or had bb got up when action first started?

Pot should go to raiser. BB hand would be folded once the button gets his 2nd card and bb not seated where i play, or he would be auto folded if not at table with action on him.
 
Uh. What. This is just confusing. Why are we waiting on a blind, why did the raiser muck his hand, why is the dealer arguing over stupid shit...

This sounds like a dealer who has no idea what he's doing, players who are reaching for pots when dealers should be pushing... Pot goes to the raiser since BB should be folded not being at the table.
 
Tourney I'm assuming, correct? All cards from players not at the table after the dealer has finished dealing should be killed - even the big blind.

RROP (tournaments):
13. A player must be at the table by the time all players have their complete starting hands in order to have a live hand for that deal. (The dealer has been instructed to kill the hands of all absent players immediately after dealing each player a starting hand.)

Pot goes to the raiser.
 
If you are not at the table, you do not have a hand. Simple.

If you leave grey area in your home game rules, then you will have grey area results.

Also, instruct the raiser not to muck/fold their hand until the pot is pushed to them.
 
If you are not at the table, you do not have a hand. Simple.

If you leave grey area in your home game rules, then you will have grey area results.

Also, instruct the raiser not to muck/fold their hand until the pot is pushed to them.
Only valid exceptions to this rule is "I'm getting a beer, keep me in!!!" Or "I'm doing a shot, keep me in!!"...

Those are universal exceptions to this rule.
 
By “casino rules” the BB folded his hand whenever the button got his last card and he wasn’t at his seat. Home games are sometimes more lenient and just fold when it’s their action and not at/near seat. This is absolutely ridiculous to let BB come in and claim pot 2 minutes after the hand is over and MP has released his cards
 
I was the raiser. I'll even add that the BB's cards looked like they had been mucked, not near his cover chip. His cards looked like they were pushed away. The dealer didn't push his cards towards the cover chip until after I mucked and tried to take the pot.

I know, don't muck until they push you the pot...
This happened a few weeks ago and I'm still pissed. Blinds were high enough that it was a decent chunk of my stack that I lost.
 
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Hahaha. See, I am so easy going during games if they flow. If the dealer stopped the hand to allow the BB to fuck around for 2 minutes and argue with a valid raiser, I would have flipped the table.
 
Hahaha. See, I am so easy going during games if they flow. If the dealer stopped the hand to allow the BB to fuck around for 2 minutes and argue with a valid raiser, I would have flipped the table.

The BB had no idea what was going on. This was all the dealer. I was pissed, then the host and co-host said to let the dealer decide.
 
Did BB get up before the hand and say "deal me out?" or "BRB, taking a piss and I'll be right back"? Or did they just not get up without saying anything?

If it's #1, why did the dealer deal them cards? Blind them and don't deal any cards to them.

If #2, was there a clock on them?

If #3, the cards should have been insta-mucked as soon as dealing the round was completed.

OP got boned.
 
I used to be strick about not being within arms length of your chair when the last card is dealt your hand is mucked (TDA rule). I was convinced this was a little harsh for a home game so now if you are in the room your hand us still live. Not in the room? Insta mucked.
 
I've seen a player get up in the middle of a hand to look something going at another table then get pissed when their hand gets mucked.
Really? Protect your hand!
The player had raised preflop, gotten called by the BB and then wasn't there when the flop was put out and the BB bet.
:tdown:
 
Did BB get up before the hand and say "deal me out?" or "BRB, taking a piss and I'll be right back"? Or did they just not get up without saying anything?

If it's #1, why did the dealer deal them cards? Blind them and don't deal any cards to them.

If #2, was there a clock on them?

If #3, the cards should have been insta-mucked as soon as dealing the round was completed.

OP got boned.

I don't know if the BB said anything to the dealer. He definitely didn't mention it during the situation.

#2 no clock

#3 I agree. :D
 
Did BB get up before the hand and say "deal me out?" or "BRB, taking a piss and I'll be right back"? Or did they just not get up without saying anything?

If it's #1, why did the dealer deal them cards? Blind them and don't deal any cards to them.

True for a cash game - but in a tourney (which it sounds like this was), you're supposed to deal the cards to every player with chips, then muck them if they're not back at the table.

RROP - Section 15 - Tournaments

7. A no-show or absent player is always dealt a hand. That player’s stack will post chips for blinds and antes, and have the forced lowcard bet put into the pot at stud.
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13. A player must be at the table by the time all players have their complete starting hands in order to have a live hand for that deal. (The dealer has been instructed to kill the hands of all absent players immediately after dealing each player a starting hand.)
 
BB’s hand should be insta-mucked, by rule. You got a raw deal. :(

Exceptions in our game would be if they are arms reach from the table, grabbing beer(s), or doing a hosting duty. Pretty much other than that their hand goes in the muck, though we do wait for their action to muck the BB, so even in that scenario, after SB folds the hand is over.
 
At our game cash or tournament as soon as the action gets to a position with an unseated player it is either checked or folded immediately. Hard rule. Game was getting way too slow and confusing waiting for people and trying to guess what was going on. So much easier and straightforward this way.
 
I'd the player in question is the host/TD or is performing some related function for the host/TD, cut them some slack. For most people, you are doing then a favor by mucking their unattended hand because they play way too damn many hands to begin with.
 
Tournament: dealer kills and mucks the absent player's BB hand as soon as all cards are dealt. Basis of the rule is that all players have the right to equal info on their action (that the status of the BB hand is 'dead', not 'unknown' or 'pending').

Cash: varies by specific house rule, but a common one is to kill and muck the hand when facing action if no player is present.
 
Tournament: dealer kills and mucks the absent player's BB hand as soon as all cards are dealt. Basis of the rule is that all players have the right to equal info on their action (that the status of the BB hand is dead, not 'unknown').

Cash: varies by specific house rule, but a common one is to kill and muck the hand when facing action if no player is present.
In short, stop acting like you are the only player in the world. Despite what mommy told you, you aren't special, you are just a self-centered little shit
 

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