Making a Murderer (Netflix) (1 Viewer)

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Just cranked out 10 episodes in 3 days. This show is filmed over 10 years of a Wisconsin legal case surrounding mostly one man.

It has a serial/dateline/the jinx type feel to this show, I really enjoyed it.

I have one recommendation to anyone embarking on the show, don't google the ending.
 
Okay, I'm halfway through and I am absolutely loving it. I've been swinging back and forth the whole way as to the second murder. Don't really want to stay up all night finishing this thing, so I guess I'm going to have to avoid the temptation to google anything about these folks for a few days.

As Andrew implied, anyone who like Serial and/or the Jinx would almost certainly love this. Great pickup by Netflix.
 
Okay, I'm halfway through and I am absolutely loving it. I've been swinging back and forth the whole way as to the second murder. Don't really want to stay up all night finishing this thing, so I guess I'm going to have to avoid the temptation to google anything about these folks for a few days.

As Andrew implied, anyone who like Serial and/or the Jinx would almost certainly love this. Great pickup by Netflix.
glad you're enjoying it, episodes 6-8 are probably the meat of the series, so you are just getting into the good stuff
 
glad you're enjoying it, episodes 6-8 are probably the meat of the series, so you are just getting into the good stuff

Ended up finishing through episode 8 last night. That was definitely the most substantive stuff, but I think I actually preferred the storytelling and plotting in episodes 3 through 5. I'm sure I will kill off the rest of the series by tomorrow night.
 
Holy shit... Watching the 3rd episode, at the point where
Jodi is signing to go see Steven and the reporters are out following her and throwing questions at her. I want to punch someone. She's CLEARLY got nothing to do with the story, having been in jail, and they have the gall to ask her if THEY can send her in with questions for Steven to answer. This is AFTER she's told them that she doesn't want to talk and started hiding her face!
The close up zoom shot of her in this scene almost made me throw something at my TV. That's infuriating.

AAARRGHHH - You can clearly hear the reporter SMILING while she asks "What do you think about the charges he's facing?". Sofa king disgusting.
 
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Side note - I know about this story. Knew the basics before I started watching the show. Not sure where I first heard it, but I remember doing an internet deep-dive a few years ago. So I jumped in on this with a bit of knowledge. I knew about the (subsequently renamed) Avery act that the state legislature passed. I didn't know the level of law enforcement involvement in the first case. Watching those people squirm under questioning is fascinating.
 
I'm open to discussions on the entire show. Just let me know how many episodes you've seen. Preferably if you watch them all.

It was glued to my seat television for me, having no history on the subject matter I was all in on the show from episode 1
 
Watching it with my daughter - through episode 5 and I have a very hard time articulating my absolute amazement of this entire story so far!
 
Finished ep 10 last night. I liked it all, but I absolutely loved the middle episodes. By the end I pretty much just wanted to kill everyone involved.

More thoughts after more people have finished the whole run, but holy fucking shit is that investigator Michael O'Kelly the scum of all scum.

As with so many of these things (film or television documentaries of the purportedly wrongly convicted), I think it's more likely than not that Avery did it, but that it's absolutely unconscionable that the state got a conviction on the evidence presented. Just a total joke. As for the kid Brendan, that was an even more heartbreaking sham on even worse evidence. Really maddening to think about that kid being put away.
 
Finished ep 10 last night. I liked it all, but I absolutely loved the middle episodes. By the end I pretty much just wanted to kill everyone involved.

More thoughts after more people have finished the whole run, but holy fucking shit is that investigator Michael O'Kelly the scum of all scum.

As with so many of these things (film or television documentaries of the purportedly wrongly convicted), I think it's more likely than not that Avery did it, but that it's absolutely unconscionable that the state got a conviction on the evidence presented. Just a total joke. As for the kid Brendan, that was an even more heartbreaking sham on even worse evidence. Really maddening to think about that kid being put away.
Really, you're in on the Avery did it train? I cant wrap my head around that notion, maybe because I watch way more datelines than I would like to admit, and with the % of scummy cops across the country rising seemingly everyday, I can get behind the other side of the argument.

That jury was definitely swayed with Averys prior situations (even with being found to be innocent after the fact).

As a juror Im basically throwing out these things: breaking into a bar to steal beer when he was in his teens, and the cat thing...this guy is clearly not the smartest person in the world. Add the fact that he was imprisoned for 18 years for a crime he did not commit, the jury IMO took all 3 of these things and put them into their reasoning as a pattern of behavior. Goes to show you some of the flaws in a jury system, they openly said 3-4 of the jurors were stubborn and before the trial even took place said he was guilty, and some of the jurors were easily persuaded to change their minds because they didnt want to deliberate for days on end.
 
Really, you're in on the Avery did it train? I cant wrap my head around that notion, maybe because I watch way more datelines than I would like to admit, and with the % of scummy cops across the country rising seemingly everyday, I can get behind the other side of the argument.

That jury was definitely swayed with Averys prior situations (even with being found to be innocent after the fact).

As a juror Im basically throwing out these things: breaking into a bar to steal beer when he was in his teens, and the cat thing...this guy is clearly not the smartest person in the world. Add the fact that he was imprisoned for 18 years for a crime he did not commit, the jury IMO took all 3 of these things and put them into their reasoning as a pattern of behavior. Goes to show you some of the flaws in a jury system, they openly said 3-4 of the jurors were stubborn and before the trial even took place said he was guilty, and some of the jurors were easily persuaded to change their minds because they didnt want to deliberate for days on end.

It has nothing to do with what I would do as a juror. A juror serves an entirely different role. The standard of proof in a criminal trial is beyond a reasonable doubt. As I said, clearly the prosecution didn't meet that burden here. Just as in OJ's case, I'd have voted to acquit, but I'd have thought he probably did it.

Saying something is more likely than not is not much. It's saying literally I believe it's 50.00000000001% that he did it versus 49.99999999999% that he didn't. To me the circumstantial evidence is sufficient to say that it's more likely than not that Avery did it.
 
BTW after watching a series like this, and seeing people from Wisconsin, its just a totally different way of life out there..something totally unknown to me as a city boy.
 
Finished it tonight - Here are my thoughts
I am of the opinion that Avery killed the woman, but I cant wrap my head around the fact that they couldn't find blood, and he should have gotten off for police misconduct.
The boy had nothing to do with it, and any one involved with his "confession" should be brought up on charges.
Both judges should also be looked at a little closer.
That DA was/is a cocky piece of shit.
It scares the hell out of me to think how easily a person can be accused and imprisoned without evidence.


I am not one to trust police but have tried to ensure that my kids are raised to trust them and follow orders. After watching what happened to this kid, it reaffirms my distrust. I can only hope that my kids do not end up in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
Finished it tonight - Here are my thoughts
I am of the opinion that Avery killed the woman, but I cant wrap my head around the fact that they couldn't find blood, and he should have gotten off for police misconduct.
The boy had nothing to do with it, and any one involved with his "confession" should be brought up on charges.
Both judges should also be looked at a little closer.
That DA was/is a cocky piece of shit.
It scares the hell out of me to think how easily a person can be accused and imprisoned without evidence.


I am not one to trust police but have tried to ensure that my kids are raised to trust them and follow orders. After watching what happened to this kid, it reaffirms my distrust. I can only hope that my kids do not end up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I have known dozens if not a couple hundred law enforcement personnel on a personal and professional basis over the years and as many state, the vast majority are very good people. That said, I have raised my kids to, by default, not trust police if they are approached by police because the potential downside is horrible on epic proportions even if the police mean well.

Apart from that slight difference, I agree with every bit of the above post.
 
Alright I watched the first three episodes again with my wife and mother who is here for the holiday weekend. Two thoughts:

(1) I'm being swayed back into the "he most likely didn't do it" corner. Only saying it's 51% likely that he didn't do it, but I'd have a hard time convicting even at that lowered standard now.
(2) I'm watching on our widescreen TV in the living room whereas I'd previously watched on my iPad and it's much more noticeable how good the filmmaking is on the big screen. It's all very well done from a technical and artistic point of view.

Maybe I'll have more thoughts after we work through the whole series and I see it all for a second time.

We ended the night with both my wife and mom saying, "Well it can't get any worse for them." LOLOLOLOLOL.
 
Special prosecutor Kratz is a POS. Here's what we know about his moral/ethical character:
"Kratz’ law license was suspended after he was accused of rampant sexual harassment.

Kratz testified in a state Office of Lawyer Regulation hearing in 2012 that his sexual compulsions didn’t affect his professional life until 2009, when prescription drugs lowered his inhibitions and he tried to spark an affair with a domestic abuse victim through a barrage of text messages.

Kratz resigned in 2010 after The Associated Press reported the texts."

At any rate, I would find it challenging to convict after having seen the blood sample evidence clearly been tampered with. Rampant corruption top to bottom in that dept.
 
Finished the series. Just wow. I'd have thought both Avery and Dassey may have done it, although thought the state's cases were severely flawed and compromised. Dassey esp screwed by incompetent media hound Kuchinsky and heartless O'kelley.

Thot Kratz was a dirtbag the whole way but was amazed to see it confirmed at the end. What a POS.
 
A few more thoughts as I had more time to digest this:

If Avery killed the girl it was NOT the way it was portrayed by the prosecution - there would have been blood somewhere on that property.
That family should immediately stop breeding - there is not 1 fully functioning brain in any of them.
I am amazed at how little traffic you see - even in the town square during the aerial shots.

The guy circled always looks like he has to poop
And would someone tell this douche to cut that little patch of hair off - it drove me freaking nuts the entire time
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Circled gents above I believe is one of the victims brothers and one of the lead corrupt investigators that coerced the confession out of the nephew.
 
On episode 4 -

Skipping the thread, so sorry if I missed it, but did the Sheriff really just say. "If we wanted to eliminate Steve, it would have just been a whole lot easier to eliminate Steve, than to frame Steve." into a camera??? What the everloving fuck is that???? I just rewatched that 30 seconds about ten times, thinking I MUST have misheard it.

THIS IS INFURIATING. I need a drink.
 
Quote of the show, when looking at the 1985 rape

Well, the suspected rapist was wearing white underwear

Avery, something along the lines of "couldnt have been me, I dont own a pair of underwear" - that right there might be evidence enough to convict,
 
On episode 4 -

Skipping the thread, so sorry if I missed it, but did the Sheriff really just say. "If we wanted to eliminate Steve, it would have just been a whole lot easier to eliminate Steve, than to frame Steve." into a camera??? What the everloving fuck is that???? I just rewatched that 30 seconds about ten times, thinking I MUST have misheard it.

THIS IS INFURIATING. I need a drink.

Sheriff Peterson: "Framing Steven Avery would be much too difficult. If we wanted to, um... eliminate Steve, it would've been a whole lot easier to eliminate Steve than it would be to frame Steve".
Cook: "What do you mean by "eliminate"?
Sheriff Peterson: "If we wanted him out of the picture, like in prison, or if you wanted him killed, you know, it would've been much easier just to kill him.
 
But he actually said that into a camera during an interview! It wasn't like someone overheard him at a bar with his buddies.

I finished it today. It's maddening, but unsurprising. Shady DA, small town police, pretty white woman, redneck-y suspects...

I like how people kept talking about Steven's crimes "escalating", as if he got off on a technicality for the sexual assault, instead of being definitively proven innocent.

Poor Brendan. That kid had no idea what he was getting into. Worried that he had a project due. Worried that he was missing Wrestlemania...

Poor Kayla. Seemed like she just wanted some attention and it spiraled out of her control.
 
Just finished this last night. Had a hard time with not knowing what happened so I Googled it before finishing (I know). The whole thing is just mind blowing to me. So many issues, crooked cops, bad DA & that judge the list goes on and on. I cant for the life of me figure out how Brendan or Steven are still in jail or ended up there to begin with.
 
I think it all comes down to the blood in the RAV4. I'm a lab guy. I was not satisfied with the information I heard about the EDTA testing. Did they also use that test on blood from the vial as a positive control? Did they smear some blood from the blood tube and let it sit for a few days as an apples to apples comparison? I think that Steven did kill her. I also think the police planted evidence to secure that conviction (much like in the OJ situation). Brenden was too emotionally restricted to be dealing with the case by himself.
 

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