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I have recently acquired a set of chips from Craigslist. I have not gotten them in my hands yet, but a family member lives in the same town and picked them up for me. The seller posted them as chips the Dunes casino gave his father, but I know they are not actual Dunes chips. They appear to be BCC chips with a 2009 Limited Edition label on them. This also says that the Dunes casino did not give them to his father since it was closed well before 2009. I had to count the chips based on the picture, and I didn't want to ask my brother (who knows nothing about poker chips) to count them for me.

Has anyone seen these before?

Any and all help/advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Weird, I’ve never seen these before. Definitely looks like bcc flame mold though.

Is it just me, or do the edgespots appear to be slightly weird. Are they China clays?
 
Just a guess but, I seem to remember some china clays made with a clamshell mold. The colors look like china clays.
 
I’m no expert but I’ve never seen “overlapping” spots like this on a compressed clay chip.
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Also these chips appear to have multiple injection points
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The inlays are pretty round for BCC's...

You could ask your brother if the inlay peels off or not. They aren't listed on the CCGTCC fakes/fantasy page either, so no help there. Keeping my fingers crossed for you, hoping they are indeed BCC's.

Hate when people lie about the origin of their stuff though.
 
The inlays are pretty round for BCC's...

You could ask your brother if the inlay peels off or not. They aren't listed on the CCGTCC fakes/fantasy page either, so no help there. Keeping my fingers crossed for you, hoping they are indeed BCC's.

Hate when people lie about the origin of their stuff though.

Sadly, I sometimes don't think it's always a lie, rather the seller might be misinformed.

The Bill Borlands had an onslaught of copycats about 15 years ago. Sadly, 15 years is a long time for some of the elder members of our hobby, and let's face it - we will all die someday. Then the kids come in and they say "Dad was a collector of poker chips. I've heard of the Dunes. These might be valuable"

This is why, when people want to make tributes that use the actual name of a casino, it is bad for the chipping world. There are no certificates of authenticity in our hobby, and people buy and sell "collectors pieces" honestly not knowing that they are selling cheap, knock-off trinkets.
 
This is why, when people want to make tributes that use the actual name of a casino, it is bad for the chipping world. There are no certificates of authenticity in our hobby, and people buy and sell "collectors pieces" honestly not knowing that they are selling cheap, knock-off trinkets.
Amen
 
First time I've had the opportunity to expand and view the pictures up close.

They appear to me to be early china clays, probably with aftermarket stickers. The nature of the edge spots, the colors, and the full-circle diameter labels all lead me to this conclusion.

Hope I'm wrong.... real BCC chips would be much cooler.

Some of the very first PGI china clays were made on the clamshell mold, until BCC found out and pitched a fit about it being a clone of their flame mold. PGI then moved to using the greek key mold (reverse-L) for their chips, and the manufacturer (Eastony Industries) began using their corporate logo - the spirit mold.

There were pics of the early chips posted by Joe on CT, but I doubt they are still live links. With PGI selling off assets, these may just be something they found in an old box and recently liquidated.

Anybody got a link to some of PGI's recent chip pics for sale? Might be a shot of these in there.
 
This is the clearest picture that he took of an individual chip. It will probably be a week or two before I can get my hands on them.
 

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I don't like those perfectly round dots on the edgespots. That is not an encouraging sign as far as the hopes of them being BCC chips go.
 
They look to be Bill Borland "commemorative" chips, but on a different mold.

Full story here.

Yeah exact same inlay expect "LE 2008" was added at the bottom. Here is the pic from the site/link. Not sure about BCC. The shell looks strange to me, too.


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Some of the very first PGI china clays were made on the clamshell mold, until BCC found out and pitched a fit about it being a clone of their flame mold. PGI then moved to using the greek key mold (reverse-L) for their chips, and the manufacturer (Eastony Industries) began using their corporate logo - the spirit mold.
Interesting! I was texting this guy last week in the hopes of picking up what I assumed were BCCs, although I found it strange to not be able to find any info on the webz. Thought he was going to let me know if he got a better offer . . .
 
I remember seeing these, and also remember thinking that something really didn't look right about them, or about the guy's story. If Dunes gave these commemorative chips to his dad, and the hotel itself closed more than 25 years ago, why would it have a red stamp with a year in the 2000's on it?
 
Does anyone remember seeing china clay chips on eBay back before there were any china clay sets? These look like those chips. I seem to recall reports of these being very brittle and no one bought them because they weren't comparable to the consumer market Paulson Pharoahs, which were the creme de la creme and readily available for something like $1.00/chip at the time. I don't recall the clamshell mold but also didn't really know much about, or pay much attention to, molds back then.
 
I remember seeing these, and also remember thinking that something really didn't look right about them, or about the guy's story. If Dunes gave these commemorative chips to his dad, and the hotel itself closed more than 25 years ago, why would it have a red stamp with a year in the 2000's on it?

sounds like his dad is a nigerian prince...
 
Some of the very first PGI china clays were made on the clamshell mold, until BCC found out and pitched a fit about it being a clone of their flame mold. PGI then moved to using the greek key mold (reverse-L) for their chips, and the manufacturer (Eastony Industries) began using their corporate logo - the spirit mold.

There were pics of the early chips posted by Joe on CT, but I doubt they are still live links.
No pics, but I found the post:

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I just started really looking at these chips again. I sent some of them to a chip expert from the forum and he states they are BCC chips. (I don’t have his consent yet to identify him, so I’ll let him do that if he’d like to.)

These are pictures I took of them. I’d like to know if there is anyone out there who has anymore information on them. I may not mind picking up some more if they’re out there.
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I would bet $1 that these aren't BCC
You lose. Sending pp addy via pm. :D

William sent me these chips for an up-close review/examination, and they are undoubtedly 100% compression clay BCC chips on the flame mold with textured inlays (not labels). Base and spot colors match up with other BCC chips from that era. And some of the inlays aren't perfectly round, either. :cool :sneaky:

Dunno who had them made -- could actually have been one of the Endy boys themselves (they ran small lots of special chips occasionally, sometimes just on a whim, or as tests). Likely produced in 2006, given the Limited Edition mark.... and BCC had a 5,000 chip minimum order size back then.

So either there are only a few others in the wild (rounding up William's barrels/racks), or there are roughly 4,400 more floating around somewhere in chipland. I'm guessing the former.

First time I've had the opportunity to expand and view the pictures up close.

They appear to me to be early china clays, probably with aftermarket stickers. The nature of the edge spots, the colors, and the full-circle diameter labels all lead me to this conclusion.

Hope I'm wrong.... real BCC chips would be much cooler.
And I was...... and they are cool. :)
 
Very cool find! The side shot threading is a good giveaway in my limited knowledge but as others said the round circle depressions on the face of the chips would have made me pass without seeing them in hand. Congrats and enjoy the hard to come by chips!
 
The weird thing is that as soon as I saw this stack photo I thought wow they do look a lot like bccs, just the colour and texture.
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But I'd never think that from these photos. The inlays look like China clay ones and the spots just all look so uniform. Not doubting you @BGinGA but these are super strange.
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They're really not that uniform, not in the way that cc chip spots are repeated on every chip. Typical compression-molded clay with 4d14 spots -- some variation, but not significant.
 

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