Lightest leaded Paulson ever? (1 Viewer)

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I’ve been interviewing house mold quarter candidates for a set that I’m building. I got one of these last week and as soon as I took it out of the packaging, I thought wow that’s light. And when you sense that a single chip is light, it must be real light - probably not a matter of half a gram. I waited until two more came in today, just to make sure it wasn’t a fluke. Nope. 8.79g
Two different sources put this chip in the 80’s, likely 1989, so I have no doubt that it’s leaded. But why the heck is it so light? Is it the mold? Is it the clay color? Both?
I dunnno. But the three of them together weigh 26.5 - average weight 8.83.
Most leaded hot stamps are in the 9.5 - 11g range. I have unleaded inlayed RHCs that weigh more than this thing. Crazy.
Anybody else have any featherweights?
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In weighing about 1000 chips for my leaded mixed set so far, I have not encountered one hot stamp as light as these. Two things come to mind.

One, I have always been suspicious of a “leaded” chip here and there. It might sound different, or weigh 1.5 grams less than a similar chip. I have no proof, but I will guess that if you wanted, Paulson would make you unleaded chips in 1985 or 1993 or whenever.

Two, it is also possible that this color just made lighter chips.
 
cpiaaq said:
It’s entirely possible they reordered more quarters after Paulson changed the formula for that color.
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I’ve encountered that with several chips I’ve weighed. If a casino was open and using similar chips in the 80s 90s 2000s, the later reorders were lighter by up to 2g in some cases.
 
The amount of lead (and thus weight) varies by color -- and sometimes considerably.

Even like or similar colors can also vary, as formulas for specific colors evolved over time (due to ingredient cost, performance, availability, and/or other reasons).

Lead was primarily used to improve color intensity, chip pliability, ease of production, and wear characteristics, among other reasons (cost and availability). Increased weight was sort of a back door benefit.
 
So @upNdown, considering that it is certainly possible for that chip to be leaded and just be lighter due to its color composition, is it now disqualified from your leaded set?

I asked this because I wonder what the point of a leaded set would be aside from the superior feel and texture (which this chip seems to lack). I'm guessing weight is not everything, but smooth shuffling and texture also plays a part in your decision as to which candidate wins the frac position.
 
The best part of a leaded set is sorting out that mixed pot of different chips. It’s a visual, aural, and tactile treat. That experience is diminished with a chip that is 2g lighter than the rest, and which also sounds different when colliding with the others.
 
BearMetal said:
So @upNdown, considering that it is certainly possible for that chip to be leaded and just be lighter due to its color composition, is it now disqualified from your leaded set?

I asked this because I wonder what the point of a leaded set would be aside from the superior feel and texture (which this chip seems to lack). I'm guessing weight is not everything, but smooth shuffling and texture also plays a part in your decision as to which candidate wins the frac position.
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Good question. I’d like to get a stack and see how they feel and sound. You can’t get a whole lot out of 3 chips. Especially when it’s an unfamiliar house mold.
I don’t particularly care for lightweight eight and a half gram chips. But for this particular set, it may matter less, for a couple of reasons. 1 - there aren’t a lot of options, for housemold quarters, and even fewer if you restrict it to leaded and even fewer if you restrict it to Vegas. So beggars can’t be choosers. And then 2 - this set isn’t about the fracs. The dunes baccarat $5s are the star of the show. The $20s are even better, but won’t see much felt time. And the Excalibur house mold $1s would be superstars if not for the ungodly glory of the 43mm leaded $5s. So if the fracs end up being a weak spot, whatever. And maybe they’d only be a temporary weak spot anyway.
But long story short, if they feel good to me, I’ll get over their weight and/or possible lack of lead.
 
FDLmold said:
The best part of a leaded set is sorting out that mixed pot of different chips. It’s a visual, aural, and tactile treat. That experience is diminished with a chip that is 2g lighter than the rest, and which also sounds different when colliding with the others.
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Sadly, I have to agree with this. Last weekend, I scooped many pots that were a combination of Circus Circus $1s and Outpost $5s. There is nothing "wrong" or "tilting" with the pots, but you could definitely tell the difference when there were non-leaded chips mixed in. In the pots that had the majority of them with $5s and $20s (all leaded), it was close to orgasmic pulling those in and sorting.
 
FDLmold said:
The best part of a leaded set is sorting out that mixed pot of different chips. It’s a visual, aural, and tactile treat. That experience is diminished with a chip that is 2g lighter than the rest, and which also sounds different when colliding with the others.
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Maybe. The 43mm chips sound so much better than the smaller chips that I have to accept some discrepancies with this set. And I’ll probably play this set this weekend with some THC leaded fracs, just to get these chips out on the table. So short term, I’m not being picky.
Long term, I’ll try things. And if they’re disappointing while playing, then I’ll try other things.
 
BearMetal said:
Sadly, I have to agree with this. Last weekend, I scooped many pots that were a combination of Circus Circus $1s and Outpost $5s. There is nothing "wrong" or "tilting" with the pots, but you could definitely tell the difference when there were non-leaded chips mixed in. In the pots that had the majority of them with $5s and $20s (all leaded), it was close to orgasmic pulling those in and sorting.
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Again, if you can direct me toward some 43mm leaded $1s, I’m with you. Otherwise, we’ll see how it goes.
 
upNdown said:
Again, if you can direct me toward some 43mm leaded $1s, I’m with you. Otherwise, we’ll see how it goes.
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There's always murder :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:

But I agree with you that you need to get those Dunes into play at any cost.

On the flip side of what I said, when there was a much smaller pot full of only 25c and $1 chips, it was much less satisfying than when there were leaded chips mixed in. So what does this tell us? Lead makes everything better! Even a little bit of lead.
 
BearMetal said:
There's always murder :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
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I know you’re joking. But I might actually consider murder if it was doable in any way. But the expense of two racks of any 43mm leaded chip would be over the top. And even if I was crazy enough to go that route, none of them are white or blue (which are the only acceptable colors for $1 chips.)

But now that I’m saying this out loud, no. Textured Paulson inlays can never be murdered. NO! NOOOOOOOOO!
 
upNdown said:
I can't figure out which frontier chip you mean
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Frontier Hotel, but I don’t see the chip in thinking of on the chip guide. So I’m probably misremembering. (I have the chip in my collection so I’ll share it when I’m home this weekend.)
 
upNdown said:
I know you’re joking. But I might actually consider murder if it was doable in any way. But the expense of two racks of any 43mm leaded chip would be over the top. And even if I was crazy enough to go that route, none of them are white or blue (which are the only acceptable colors for $1 chips.)

But now that I’m saying this out loud, no. Textured Paulson inlays can never be murdered. NO! NOOOOOOOOO!
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Dunes 43mm baccarat $500 chips are white, just sayin'. 8V, too. :cool
 
BGinGA said:
Dunes 43mm baccarat $500 chips are white, just sayin'. 8V, too. :cool
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And instead of ripping out the inlay, which we all agree is never acceptable, you can just use a sharpie to scribble out the old denom and write "$1" in big easy-to-read handwritten lettering.
 

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