Lead vs. Non-Lead Paulsons (1 Viewer)

[kmccormick100]

So we need comparison of leaded/non-leaded using the same color of chip, since different colors vary

 

[BGinGA]

I see a durability difference between my leaded vs non-leaded Paulson chips. The old leaded chips don't seem to flake and chip as much as the new ones do. I'm not sure this is gospel but it reflects my limited experience with the one set that I have.

I think this is true, and likely due to the softer leaded chips wearing down more evenly vs grinding/chipping away as do the newer unleaded formula chips.

 

[codeman00]

I think this is true, and likely due to the softer leaded chips wearing down more evenly vs grinding/chipping away as do the newer unleaded formula chips.

That makes perfect sense. I have a Crystal Park set (leaded) with motor city quarters (non-leaded). After a nights play, you can see the peach fragments on the table but nothing from the blue or yellow.

 

[upNdown]

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Good example. I would never have guessed the Capitol Cities were unleaded

 

[redeagle]

I looked at with with desire, because it's a pretty chip. But when I picked it up, without even thinking about it, my hand felt disappointed.

Silicone has left me with the same disappointment
Like lead/unleaded chips, they can both look great but only one has that "aaaaaahh" feel.

 

[Chipenhagen]

Early in the thread it was said that lead content was minute. This can hardly be true. If the lead in a chip augments the weight by 1-1.5 g, the lead content must exceed that (as it replaces some lighter material). If the lighter material is of density 2-2.5 g/cm³ vs that of lead 11.3 g/cm³, lead content would have to be 1.2-1.8 g to make a chip 1-1.5 g heavier. That's a lead content in the range 12-16 percent by weight. Of course there are some unknowns in this equation, specifically what other compisition differences there might be between unleaded and leaded chips.

 

[upNdown]

Early in the thread it was said that lead content was minute. This can hardly be true. If the lead in a chip augments the weight by 1-1.5 g, the lead content must exceed that (as it replaces some lighter material). If the lighter material is of density 2-2.5 g/cm³ vs that of lead 11.3 g/cm³, lead content would have to be 1.2-1.8 g to make a chip 1-1.5 g heavier. That's a lead content in the range 12-16 percent by weight. Of course there are some unknowns in this equation, specifically what other compisition differences there might be between unleaded and leaded chips.

I believe I’ve see. It credibly reported that lead makes up something like 40% of a leaded paulson’s weight.

 

[moose]

All I know is when I lick my leaded chips, they taste great. Slightly sweet with a chalky aftertaste. Kind of like a peanut M&M.

 

[codeman00]

I believe I’ve see. It credibly reported that lead makes up something like 40% of a leaded paulson’s weight.

I wish I had one of those material scanners that I see on TV all the time. You just point it at the material, pull the trigger, and it tells you all of its composition and percentages.

 

[BGinGA]

Early in the thread it was said that lead content was minute. This can hardly be true. If the lead in a chip augments the weight by 1-1.5 g, the lead content must exceed that (as it replaces some lighter material). If the lighter material is of density 2-2.5 g/cm³ vs that of lead 11.3 g/cm³, lead content would have to be 1.2-1.8 g to make a chip 1-1.5 g heavier. That's a lead content in the range 12-16 percent by weight. Of course there are some unknowns in this equation, specifically what other compisition differences there might be between unleaded and leaded chips.

I believe I’ve see. It credibly reported that lead makes up something like 40% of a leaded paulson’s weight.

According to Paulson/GPI documents, the older formula chips measured up to 47% by weight.

New 'unleaded' chips are well below 0.5%.

 

[codeman00]

According to Paulson/GPI documents, the older formula chips measured up to 47% by weight.

New 'unleaded' chips are well below 0.5%.

Wow!!

So how in the world can we say that the lead content isn’t harmful/high concentration at all? 1) it’s only at 47% and 2) they apparently were told to make them without lead.
That seems like it is a significant amount of lead content.

 

[upNdown]

Wow!!

So how in the world can we say that the lead content isn’t harmful/high concentration at all? 1) it’s only at 47% and 2) they apparently were told to make them without lead.
That seems like it is a significant amount of lead content.

There's a lot of lead in the world. Try not to eat it.

 

[Coyote]

Lead to chips is what quills are to hedgehogs. Built-in self-protection.
Protects them from unscrupulous people touching all kinds of oily finger food like peanuts or potato chips and then chips.
You have to inform the former (people) that they might die, though.

 

[72o]

I believe I’ve see. It credibly reported that lead makes up something like 40% of a leaded paulson’s weight.

Right. And this is NOT to be confused with the mass of the chip. Lead is heavy so it takes a minute amount mixed with the clay formula to get the desired weight. All the technical mumbo-jumbo above goes right over my head though. LOL

Ever grab a roll of lead roof flashing at the local Home Depot? Shit is heavy.

 

[allforcharity]

Wow!!

So how in the world can we say that the lead content isn’t harmful/high concentration at all? 1) it’s only at 47% and 2) they apparently were told to make them without lead.
That seems like it is a significant amount of lead content.

It is a significant amount of lead. But the question is how much lead can possibly transfer into your body systemically from even constant handling of chips, and the answer would be extremely small. You would have to eat the chips, or powder them up and breathe/snort them in, or melt them and pour it into your orifices to result in credible and measurable damage to your body. The vast majority of non-industrial contact cases of lead poisoning comes from ingestion of lead-containing material, because it tastes sweet. The stereotypical case is a child who eats flecks of old paint off the walls or floorboards of old houses.

 

[Silver_Fiend]

Wow!!

So how in the world can we say that the lead content isn’t harmful/high concentration at all? 1) it’s only at 47% and 2) they apparently were told to make them without lead.
That seems like it is a significant amount of lead content.

your home most likely has water pipes sealed with lead solder. Everything you drink and bath in is flowing over that lead. It isnt harmful. Like was said above, you would have to be eating it to worry.

 

[codeman00]

Yeah you’re only touching the surface area of the chip, not the entire chip so the actual amount that touches your hand isn’t that much. It’s still amazing to me though.

I think we’re having the discussion between 47% by mass or 47% by volume. My guess is it’s the mass.

 

[BGinGA]

Wow!!

So how in the world can we say that the lead content isn’t harmful/high concentration at all? 1) it’s only at 47% and 2) they apparently were told to make them without lead.
That seems like it is a significant amount of lead content.

Leaded casino chips are not harmful when they are used as intended. The 47% figure ~sounds~ incredibly high, but it really isn't, in terms of the actual volume or quantity involved. Plus it's static -- there's no easy way to get any kind of meaningful exposure, unless you grind up chips into fine powder and then ingest or snort them, or inhale fine particulates or melted chip vapors.
Even then, you'd have to do it a LOT. The volume of lead in a single chip is very, very small.

Paulson was not 'told' by any authority to remove the lead content -- they did so voluntarily, mostly in response to crusading ignorant dumbass "reporters" who tried to create a safety issue/concern where none existed, and to avoid unwarranted defamation of their public image.

If there had been a real public safety danger to consumers or casino employees, do you really think the involved environmental and regulatory agencies would have allowed them to continue to produce (using stockpiled materials) and sell leaded chips for another 5-6 years after it became public knowledge?

The only real environmental/safety concern would be during chip research and production, when raw materials would need to be handled with appropriate safety gear and controls if posing a potential exposure risk.

 

[charitycase]

Do the leaded and non-leaded Paulsons feel different? Is there any way to tell the difference between them? Are there and advantages or disadvantages to either type other than the fact that lead is toxic?

In addition to what's already been said:
I've got some old red bricks in my backyard that have a smooth textured finish - Their feel and sound remind me of my mint leaded chips every time I stack them or pick them up.
On the other hand, I have bicycle tire leaded chips that give me a 'buttery' vibe, not brick feel, similar to what was already discussed in the thread.
So I guess for me, leaded chips remind me of brick while nonleaded chips remind me of clay.

 

[Chipenhagen]

Right. And this is NOT to be confused with the mass of the chip. Lead is heavy so it takes a minute amount mixed with the clay formula to get the desired weight. All the technical mumbo-jumbo above goes right over my head though. LOL

Ever grab a roll of lead roof flashing at the local Home Depot? Shit is heavy.

You probably mean volume, as mass and weight are practically the same (unless you are on the Moon).

At 47 percent by weight or mass the volume of lead would exceed 10 percent, which in my book is not "minute": 47 percent of a 10,5 g chip is 4.9 g of lead which has a volume of .43 cm³, with the whole chip having a volume of about 4 cm³.

 

[rowlin]

I believe this has come up before and the "up to 47%" is up to 47% by weight, not volume.

So take an 11g (0.387 oz) leaded chip. If you take the 47% as 47% by weight, that would suggest 0.182 oz of lead/chip. In terms of volume, that would be about 0.028 in^3. If the remaining 53% of the weight is "clay", then that leaves 0.205 oz of clay/chip. In terms of volume that would be about 0.205 in^3, assuming a clay density of about 1 ounce per cubic inch. So using these number, the 47% by weight would equate to about 12% by volume 0.028/(0.028+0.205). This also seems reasonable as the total volume using these rough density estimates is about 0.23 in^3, which is very close to the estimate of 0.22 in^3 made using the dimensions of the chip.

This is a similar discussion of it.

 

[Ben8257]

I have lots of RHC non leaded chips if anyone has serious saftey concerns and would prefer to swap out their harmful leaded chips, hell some I may even consider a 2 for 1 exchange rate!


Hey you guys were all thinking it, someone had to offer! Lol

I work in old schools in our Nations Capitol, everything in that environment was wrapped with asbestos many years ago, the come in and do quick half assed abatement jobs, even the floor tiles are made with Asbestos. We also have complained for 20 years about Silica exposure in concrete as they just in the last 2 years finally imposed a HEPA filtration system requirement to limit Silica exposure. We are all going to have cancer in the construction industry. I grew up melting lead into pine wood derby cars to add weight and drilling that lead out to hit weight requirements.

I already know what I have coming, I would rather enjoy the time I have playing with awesome superior chips! Lmao