LCV vs SCV (2 Viewers)

[superchromix]

I was just looking at photos of SCV and LCV mold chips side by side. I always thought that the difference between the two molds was in the shape of the top hat and cane design. But wait, does the LCV chip seem to have a smaller diameter outer ring? Is this true? Can someone measure it?

 

[Lemonzest]

Yes.

I don't have the tools to measure it but even your picture clearly shows the outer ring is thicker on LCV. IMO LCV seems to hold up better to wear, but not sure if this is true overall or just of the chips I have handled.

 

[BGinGA]

Three differences:

• Angle of cane (LCV is more horizontal, and also longer)
• Thickness of outer ring (LCV is wider)
• Depth of center recess (LCV is more shallow)

All things being otherwise equal (material composition, base/spot colors, and inlay/hot-stamp options), LCV mold chips weigh more due to that last item. Deeper recess = less material for the SCV chips.

 

[superchromix]

Three differences:

• Angle of cane (LCV is more horizontal, and also longer)
• Thickness of outer ring (LCV is wider)
• Depth of center recess (LCV is more shallow)

All things being otherwise equal (material composition, base/spot colors, and inlay/hot-stamp options), LCV mold chips weigh more due to that last item. Deeper recess = less material for the SCV chips.

Would there be a difference in weight for the two chips pictured? The depth of the recess looks quite similar in the photos..

 

[DoubleEagle]

Three differences:

• Angle of cane (LCV is more horizontal, and also longer)
• Thickness of outer ring (LCV is wider)
• Depth of center recess (LCV is more shallow)

All things being otherwise equal (material composition, base/spot colors, and inlay/hot-stamp options), LCV mold chips weigh more due to that last item. Deeper recess = less material for the SCV chips.

You never cease to amaze me with your depth of knowledge!

 

[Lemonzest]

Three differences:

• Angle of cane (LCV is more horizontal, and also longer)
• Thickness of outer ring (LCV is wider)
• Depth of center recess (LCV is more shallow)

All things being otherwise equal (material composition, base/spot colors, and inlay/hot-stamp options), LCV mold chips weigh more due to that last item. Deeper recess = less material for the SCV chips.

Whoa! I never noticed any difference regarding recess depth. Interesting.

 

[BGinGA]

Whoa! I never noticed any difference regarding recess depth. Interesting.

Yep. It can really affect the ability to re-label over the existing inlay, too.

 

[BGinGA]

Would there be a difference in weight for the two chips pictured? The depth of the recess looks quite similar in the photos..

Probably not significant or noticeable, mostly because I doubt that the T100000 chip pictured has LCV mold markings on both sides. I have a bunch of Star chips -- most are SCV, some are LCV on one side and SCV on the opposite side (it's more common than you might think), but none are LCV on both sides.

Also noteworthy is that due to the wider outer ring, the bottom of the hats is much closer to the recess edge on LCV chips than SCV -- theoretically making them more prone to damage (similar to the outer hat edge proximity on RHC chips).

 

[Perthmike]

Ah yes the great lcv v scv debate.

My good friend @RocAFella1 and I were having a friendly debate over which is better. He was wrong

I think we should settle it with a forum poll lol

 

[Changster]

Ah yes the great lcv v scv debate.

My good friend @RocAFella1 and I were having a friendly debate over which is better. He was wrong

I think we should settle it with a forum poll lol

I’m voting for the option “Doesn’t matter because both are better than RHC”

 

[PokerLearner]

The experts before me have clearly explained it in depth but yes it is larger in diameter.

 

[AWenger]

Also, newer Paulson chips that have LCV mold, or LCV on one side and SCV on the other, do have a recess in the inlay. Some chips I have seen in person like this are: white Bally's Vegas $1s, Horseshoe Baltimore $1s, and I think some Flamingo $1s. It looks like the white Empress Star chip pictured above also has this recess.

Older casino chips that are LCV mold that I have (both close to mint and slighly worn) do not have a recessed inlay, and would need to be milled to add a label (without creating spinners.)

 

[superchromix]

Also, newer Paulson chips that have LCV mold, or LCV on one side and SCV on the other, do have a recess in the inlay. Some chips I have seen in person like this are: white Bally's Vegas $1s, Horseshoe Baltimore $1s, and I think some Flamingo $1s. It looks like the white Empress Star chip pictured above also has this recess.

Older casino chips that are LCV mold that I have (both close to mint and slighly worn) do not have a recessed inlay, and would need to be milled to add a label (without creating spinners.)

Intriguing !

 

[legend672]

How can it have one mold on one side and o e on the other?
What does that raised printing that looks like industrial in the op mean ? ( not chip related)

 

[ovo]

Ah yes the great lcv v scv debate.

My good friend @RocAFella1 and I were having a friendly debate over which is better. He was wrong

I think we should settle it with a forum poll lol

I think you should join us for battle of the bay in October and settle it on the poker table

 

[Eloe2000]

Speaking of which, what is the Aurora Star 25 and 100 mold? It is like a THC without the outer rim.

 

[ADS Aviator]

This is a good primer:

http://www.antiquegamblingchips.com/molddesign_manmade.htm

 

[Eloe2000]

This is a good primer:

http://www.antiquegamblingchips.com/molddesign_manmade.htm

Thank you! I havent seen this before. Also I didnt even notive the inversion of the hat and the cane in this mold but I think I had heard of people referencing the inverted mold before.

 

[WhiteMamba1646]

Speaking of which, what is the Aurora Star 25 and 100 mold? It is like a THC without the outer rim.

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IHC Mold

 

[RocAFella1]

Speaking of which, what is the Aurora Star 25 and 100 mold? It is like a THC without the outer rim.

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Inverted hat and cane (IHC).

 

[BGinGA]

How can it have one mold on one side and o e on the other?

The chip mold consists of two 'cups', one for each side of the chip.

Speaking of which, what is the Aurora Star 25 and 100 mold? It is like a THC without the outer rim.

Those are 43mm IHC mold chips (inverted hat & cane).

 

[Perthmike]

I think you should join us for battle of the bay in October and settle it on the poker table

I really wish I could

 

[buffalojim]

I know I'm digging up an old thread here but I've often wondered about SCV vs LCV. Not which is better, but why are some chips of a certain denomination are on both molds? Like, I have two racks of King's 1's and several chips across the two racks are LCV, the majority are SCV. Why would they produce them on different molds, wouldn't they have wanted the consistency of all being on the same mold? Is it a matter of not having enough of the SCV mold to produce the number of chips required and therefore resort to pressing on both? I have no real idea how the production of these chips are made, just that there are mold differences.

Not sure I've come across a chip with both molds on either side but how does that happen? Does one side get pressed and then some time later the other side?

 

[Marius L]

I know I'm digging up an old thread here but I've often wondered about SCV vs LCV. Not which is better, but why are some chips of a certain denomination are on both molds? Like, I have two racks of King's 1's and several chips across the two racks are LCV, the majority are SCV. Why would they produce them on different molds, wouldn't they have wanted the consistency of all being on the same mold? Is it a matter of not having enough of the SCV mold to produce the number of chips required and therefore resort to pressing on both? I have no real idea how the production of these chips are made, just that there are mold differences.

Not sure I've come across a chip with both molds on either side but how does that happen? Does one side get pressed and then some time later the other side?

Paulson (or GPI) don't differentiate between the two. Not sure how the production actually happens, but it's pretty common for THC chips to have both LCV and SCV mixed in, and often one side of the chip being LCV and the opposite betting SCV.

 

[buffalojim]

Paulson (or GPI) don't differentiate between the two. Not sure how the production actually happens, but it's pretty common for THC chips to have both LCV and SCV mixed in, and often one side of the chip being LV and the opposite betting SCV.

That's a strange stance, since they are clearly different.

 

[Marius L]

My bally's LV $1 relabels have plenty of LCV mixed in.

From my random splashed pot picture I took earlier today you can see 2 LCV.

 

[buffalojim]

Yep, for sure, almost all of the racks of chips that have come through my hands have had a mix of both.

 

[AWenger]

The chip mold consists of two 'cups', one for each side of the chip.

Not sure I've come across a chip with both molds on either side but how does that happen? Does one side get pressed and then some time later the other side?

@buffalojim, see explanation above. I think there are multiple cups that get pressed together at the same time, in whatever machine(s) are used, and it seems Paulson has just put LCV & SCV cups together for some newer THC chips, maybe to increase production volume & decrease time in filling large orders.

As far as I can recall, I've seen this only on newer THC $1 chips at large casinos - Ballys, Flamingo(?), Horseshoe Baltimore.

Also, check your mail in a week or so, I'll mail you an example chip with LCV on one side and SCV on the other.

 

[Eriks]

Guys, this is some serious nitpicking, and I love it

 

[buffalojim]

@buffalojim, see explanation above. I think there are multiple cups that get pressed together at the same time, in whatever machine(s) are used, and it seems Paulson has just put LCV & SCV cups together for some newer THC chips, maybe to increase production volume & decrease time in filling large orders.

As far as I can recall, I've seen this only on newer THC $1 chips at large casinos - Ballys, Flamingo(?), Horseshoe Baltimore.

Also, check your mail in a week or so, I'll mail you an example chip with LCV on one side and SCV on the other.

I think I told you before that you are a legend, right!?