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i know $3.50 sounds petty when you only do 5 transactions a year on a poker chip site, but when you ship out / receive a few thousand items a year you'd be a fool not to get in the habit of saving $3.50 for what amounts to less than 10 seconds of work. hard to find a better hourly than that
Few thousand a year? That's obviously BS. If you did, you'd know the first option that I offered was the cheapest.

It wasn't just 10 seconds of work. I had it packed and ready to go (flat rate box). You wanted regular post so I repacked in a regular parcel as you wanted. I knew it was going to be more expensive but let you have your choice. Then I told you the new more expensive price and of course you wanted to go back to the cheaper original option. Which I was kind enough to oblige (and repack). To save you the big baller your $3.

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Mikki is fascinating. I’ve been following his gram, and if you like seeing stacks of high denoms from Vegas penthouses, the man does not disappoint. I’m also intrigued by his baccarat “business”. Here’s my best guesses to his revenue model, in my guess of order of likelihood:

1) A significant fee for a coaching business that does not produce an actual edge in baccarat
2) Social media revenue (ads, collabs), very little actual wagering goes on, just big cash-ins and cash-outs. The revenue offsets the expected loss from bacc
3) sketchy baccarat advantage through marked cards, dealer schemes, past posting
4) shockingly public money laundering service
5) the man is just lucky
6) legitimate baccarat advantage via card defects or shuffle tracking
 

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He's playing at the highest level against the best players on the planet. The guidance he can get from anyone on PCF is like taking coaching tips from a dad coaching his 8 year old in community hockey and trying to apply it to the NHL level.

I don’t consider @SpaceMonkey420 ’s posts to be anything other than those of someone who doesn’t understand why I would choose to play at stakes that I’m not skilled enough to play at, but suffice to know that I’m OK being a fish for the moment, and am working on not being that in the future :)
Those high level players weren’t born that way. They didn’t inherit their positions.

They played and ground just like Krish is doing. They lost shit tons of money getting to where they are, and they lose shit tons more where they are. If you think the money means something to them they’d be in more conservative positions with long term guaranteed gains instead of literally gambling their whole bankroll on raindrop races if they have a taker.

Some of you sound like you play scared money at the table. Afraid to play at stakes higher than a few cokes and a cheeseburger. If your playing poker for life money you are not on tv. Go back to your home game and play for quarters if you care about money more than other things.
 

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Those high level players weren’t born that way. They didn’t inherit their positions.

They played and ground just like Krish is doing. They lost shit tons of money getting to where they are, and they lose shit tons more where they are. If you think the money means something to them they’d be in more conservative positions with long term guaranteed gains instead of literally gambling their whole bankroll on raindrop races if they have a taker.

Some of you sound like you play scared money at the table. Afraid to play at stakes higher than a few cokes and a cheeseburger. If your playing poker for life money you are not on tv. Go back to your home game and play for quarters if you care about money more than other things.
 

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OK - I gotta ask this - lol.

GTO, I am not well versed in it, but understand it in concept at 100k feet. Here is my question. Isn’t GTO and exploitative strategies essentially what the old school pro’s (Brunson, Unger, and then early modern pros, Helmuth, etc) have been doing for years. Understand your players, their weaknesses, adjust your play accordingly. Understand odds, probability, and reading your opponents, etc, all honed over thousands of hours on the felt.

Is GTO pretty much “this” just wrapped in an “algorithm” that can be packaged & sold as a “model for play”.

It seems like GTO strategy is a math problem designed to optimize on-line play when you are playing in 3+ tables at a time and it allows you to optimize play averaged across a certain number of hands when you have to make quick decisions based on limited information.

In the end, how truly different or better is GTO from core and fundamental strategies found in Slansky’s Theory of a poker when playing live?

Disclaimer: I am no strategy pro by any stretch, I’m a “decent” casual player who at one time studied poker strategy fairly seriously - many years ago (hence reference to Slansky - lol)

I am truly curious as maybe I am missing something. This has bugged me for a while - lol.
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Some of you sound like you play scared money at the table. Afraid to play at stakes higher than a few cokes and a cheeseburger. If your playing poker for life money you are not on tv. Go back to your home game and play for quarters if you care about money more than other things.
Exactly. If the amount of money on the table is too scary to lose then you're going to be making suboptimal decisions.

Having said that, how many of these 'pros' are actually tabling their own money and not being staked by someone else. Seems often that we hear about these players not being nearly as successful as they seem and are begging/borrowing behind the scenes.
 
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Few thousand a year? That's obviously BS. If you did, you'd know the first option that I offered was the cheapest.

It wasn't just 10 seconds of work. I had it packed and ready to go (flat rate box). You wanted regular post so I repacked in a regular parcel as you wanted. I knew it was going to be more expensive but let you have your choice. Then I told you the new more expensive price and of course you wanted to go back to the cheaper original option. Which I was kind enough to oblige (and repack). To save you the big baller your $3.

#threedollarballer
are you gals mother mother or something?

you're clearly emotionally invested in this. i don't know why you would misrepresent our pm exchange in the first place and say i was busting your balls, but even more confusing is why you'd call me out about shipping costs estimates. lol?

i know prices by weight to most major cities because i have a reference sheet. shipping IS often cheaper by weight than by flat rate box within canada, and in some cases the price difference is closer to $8-9. i politely pointed out that regular parcels might be less, saying not to inconvenience yourself if you already have the flat rate box. and if i knew you lived in edmonton before hand i wouldn't have said anything because the price difference from edmonton is negligible.

it's like you're trying to be adversarial about things that aren't remotely controversial because you're pissed off about my earlier post where i said gal sucks. so let me just say - your son a lovely boy, and i'm sure he has many talents but poker is not one of them.

Those high level players weren’t born that way. They didn’t inherit their positions.

They played and ground just like Krish is doing. They lost shit tons of money getting to where they are, and they lose shit tons more where they are. If you think the money means something to them they’d be in more conservative positions with long term guaranteed gains instead of literally gambling their whole bankroll on raindrop races if they have a taker.

Some of you sound like you play scared money at the table. Afraid to play at stakes higher than a few cokes and a cheeseburger. If your playing poker for life money you are not on tv. Go back to your home game and play for quarters if you care about money more than other things.

that's very often not true. garret, like a lot of high stakes players who started playing online, started grinding small stakes online when young and gradually and conservatively moved up in stakes. there are also people who made one big tournament score but there was a time where durrrr and jungleman and many others were grinding cheeseburgers stakes for long hours, and you'd be surprised at how long a lot of them spent in small games to get there - it's just that you only see the tail end of their progress.

some people in my life think i'm a crazy gambler when i play in 5/10nl games. and of course i care about the money but this is the result of millions of hands starting at cheeseburger stakes, slowly and conservatively moving up so losing several buyins won't have any impact on my life. some would say i'm a pretty big nit, but it's not really that far off from how nitty a lot of these big gamblers you see on tv are treating it.

example: tom marchese in the early 2000's played stars .50/1nl. we knew each other from full contact poker, there was a community of people who all posted their monthly results and talked strategy in chats. and that guy reliably played over 100k hands a month. that's an insane volume to keep up. iirc it took about 6-8 months for him to move up to 1/2nl which seems pretty quick, but when you consider that was well over a half million hands and nearly 500ish buyins won, that's a really slow progression by many peoples standards - but because of how much he was playing and the fact that the stakes don't grow linearly, he's been comfortably playing nosebleeds for a long time now. people like garret are not playing 50/100nl with only 1m in the bank - he's likely in the ballpark of 10m. and i think there's a clear division between gamblers, who have huge chunks of their net worths on the line in these games, and the legit pros who have a few hundred buyins (if not more) in net worth, and at least 25-50 buyins liquid.

i, however, have not reached a level of ballertude where i'm willing to pay $3.5+$1tip for their bottles of water. i bring one from home. guess that means i must be broke. :cry:

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Mikki is fascinating. I’ve been following his gram, and if you like seeing stacks of high denoms from Vegas penthouses, the man does not disappoint. I’m also intrigued by his baccarat “business”. Here’s my best guesses to his revenue model, in my guess of order of likelihood:

1) A significant fee for a coaching business that does not produce an actual edge in baccarat
2) Social media revenue (ads, collabs), very little actual wagering goes on, just big cash-ins and cash-outs. The revenue offsets the expected loss from bacc
3) sketchy baccarat advantage through marked cards, dealer schemes, past posting
4) shockingly public money laundering service
5) the man is just lucky
6) legitimate baccarat advantage via card defects or shuffle tracking

This all sounds quite sensible to me.
 

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Having said that, how many of these 'pros' are actually tabling their own money and not being staked by someone else. Seems often that we hear about these players not being nearly as successful as they seem and are begging/borrowing behind the scenes.
And these are the people to fear??!?? Playing on begged/borrowed money? That’s a whole different level of motivation and irrationality.
 

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Long winded blah blah blah.
Nah, not a fan of Gal or have any vested interest in the guy.

Just was cranky and got tired of reading your long winded condescending posts.

Tell Tom Marchese the folks at PCF said hello. Also, please say hi to Tom Cruise the next time you're hanging out with him.
 

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Mikki is fascinating. I’ve been following his gram, and if you like seeing stacks of high denoms from Vegas penthouses, the man does not disappoint. I’m also intrigued by his baccarat “business”. Here’s my best guesses to his revenue model, in my guess of order of likelihood:

1) A significant fee for a coaching business that does not produce an actual edge in baccarat
2) Social media revenue (ads, collabs), very little actual wagering goes on, just big cash-ins and cash-outs. The revenue offsets the expected loss from bacc
3) sketchy baccarat advantage through marked cards, dealer schemes, past posting
4) shockingly public money laundering service
5) the man is just lucky
6) legitimate baccarat advantage via card defects or shuffle tracking

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The only reason I responded this way is because he made things up about our previous interactions in the marketplace which could impact my reputation - claims that have no basis and one of them easily disproven by just posting the pm.

If people don’t want to buy/sell because they think I’m an asshole that’s fine - feel free to say I’m a condescending asshole. Just don’t make things up and then hide behind the excuse of “I was cranky”.

Edit: I won’t post anything more about it. I’m just explaining why I felt it necessary to address it in this thread. I’d be happy to delete my posts if he deletes his.
 
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The only reason I responded this way is because he made things up about our previous interactions in the marketplace which could impact my reputation - claims that have no basis and one of them easily disproven by just posting the pm.

If people don’t want to buy/sell because they think I’m an asshole that’s fine - feel free to say I’m a condescending asshole. Just don’t make things up and then hide behind the excuse of “I was cranky”.

Take it to another thread
 

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Garret makes some great reads, I’ll agree with that. His over all play is no better than I’ve seen in some strong $2/$5 games. Only difference is the stakes.
Andy is superior as a player to Garret IMO. If you really want to learn something a little more than solid ABC poker, Andy is the guy to watch
I still find Dwan pretty damn good after all these years what like 14yrs plus
 
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I said it’s strange to try and rank top players because ranking them almost requires you to feel you’re at or above their level. Gal is bad enough that I feel pretty comfortable saying he’s worse than andy, garret, art, me, 90% of grinders I’ve ever interacted with, half the forum, etc.

I would not feel remotely confident ranking the people I consider to be strong regs though.
Gal is bad enough that I feel pretty comfortable saying he’s worse than andy, garret, art, me, 90% of grinders I’ve ever interacted with, half the forum, etc.

so you think if you had the money you could go in there and outplay Gal is what you are saying ? I think a big part of that big cash game is the actual dollars at stake imagine losing 200-500k in one night but I guess when you are a multi millionaire it is alil bit diff lol I dont know I consider myself a pretty decent player been playing 19 years going on 20 but I have never seen a table bigger than $5/$10 and norm play $1/$2 and $2/$5 but again I am not where near even wealthy so it is very different I just don't get how they can play for that kind of money it blows my mind

also I haven't seen Gal play much at all so you prob are better than him lol who knows it's poker man the other day I had Rockets got my money in good against 2 others played it perfect one guy had pocket 4s other uy had pocket Kings and it came 4 clubs n dude with the 4s won on the river with a flush in poker ISH happens you can only hope to get it all in n be ahead than its upto the poker gods at that point
 

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i can't tell the 1st liners from the 4th without seeing stats tbh, and we don't have those for these poker players. all of this debating is in good fun if you ask me, just like i think lebron could wipe MJ off the floor but does anyone really think i know what i'm talking about? also at any level of poker game, a person might be making critical mistakes or play less than optimal but i'm sure we all know players like this that also have incredible win rates because they do some things really well. i personally think berkey could KICK GMANS ASS
LOL at "Lebron could wipe MJ off the floor" thank you for the funniest thing I have heard all year 30days to go don't think that will be topped

if MJ played in todays soft as baby ass league he would avg 45-50pts a game he was doing things 30-almost 40yrs ago that people still can't do LOL

oh now I see why you are from LA well Kobe RIP was better than Bron and MJ was better than Kob so that's settled Carry On
 
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LOL at "Lebron could wipe MJ off the floor" thank you for the funniest thing I have heard all year 30days to go don't think that will be topped

if MJ played in todays soft as baby ass league he would avg 45-50pts a game he was doing things 30-almost 40yrs ago that people still can't do LOL

oh now I see why you are from LA well Kobe RIP was better than Bron and MJ was better than Kob so that's settled Carry On
NBA was way more entertaining and tough in the 80s and 90s. Anyone can search some old games on YouTube and see just how much more physical the game was. MJ, Bird, Johnson, Barkley, etc performed like that when they were roughed up way more. I imagine they would thrive in today's game where their offense wouldn't be challenged as hard.
 

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NBA was way more entertaining and tough in the 80s and 90s. Anyone can search some old games on YouTube and see just how much more physical the game was. MJ, Bird, Johnson, Barkley, etc performed like that when they were roughed up way more. I imagine they would thrive in today's game where their offense wouldn't be challenged as hard.
I never saw MJ, Bird, Johnson or Barkley ask a referee to have fans removed from a game either.
They didn’t let the things that a couple trash talking fans say hurt their feelings.
Many of the athletes today are coddled whiney little babies.
 

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I never saw MJ, Bird, Johnson or Barkley ask a referee to have fans removed from a game either.
They didn’t let the things that a couple trash talking fans say hurt their feelings.
Many of the athletes today are coddled whiney little babies.
And now they get a bruise and sit out for 2 weeks. Way too soft nowadays.
 

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are you gals mother mother or something?

you're clearly emotionally invested in this. i don't know why you would misrepresent our pm exchange in the first place and say i was busting your balls, but even more confusing is why you'd call me out about shipping costs estimates. lol?

i know prices by weight to most major cities because i have a reference sheet. shipping IS often cheaper by weight than by flat rate box within canada, and in some cases the price difference is closer to $8-9. i politely pointed out that regular parcels might be less, saying not to inconvenience yourself if you already have the flat rate box. and if i knew you lived in edmonton before hand i wouldn't have said anything because the price difference from edmonton is negligible.

it's like you're trying to be adversarial about things that aren't remotely controversial because you're pissed off about my earlier post where i said gal sucks. so let me just say - your son a lovely boy, and i'm sure he has many talents but poker is not one of them.



that's very often not true. garret, like a lot of high stakes players who started playing online, started grinding small stakes online when young and gradually and conservatively moved up in stakes. there are also people who made one big tournament score but there was a time where durrrr and jungleman and many others were grinding cheeseburgers stakes for long hours, and you'd be surprised at how long a lot of them spent in small games to get there - it's just that you only see the tail end of their progress.

some people in my life think i'm a crazy gambler when i play in 5/10nl games. and of course i care about the money but this is the result of millions of hands starting at cheeseburger stakes, slowly and conservatively moving up so losing several buyins won't have any impact on my life. some would say i'm a pretty big nit, but it's not really that far off from how nitty a lot of these big gamblers you see on tv are treating it.

example: tom marchese in the early 2000's played stars .50/1nl. we knew each other from full contact poker, there was a community of people who all posted their monthly results and talked strategy in chats. and that guy reliably played over 100k hands a month. that's an insane volume to keep up. iirc it took about 6-8 months for him to move up to 1/2nl which seems pretty quick, but when you consider that was well over a half million hands and nearly 500ish buyins won, that's a really slow progression by many peoples standards - but because of how much he was playing and the fact that the stakes don't grow linearly, he's been comfortably playing nosebleeds for a long time now. people like garret are not playing 50/100nl with only 1m in the bank - he's likely in the ballpark of 10m. and i think there's a clear division between gamblers, who have huge chunks of their net worths on the line in these games, and the legit pros who have a few hundred buyins (if not more) in net worth, and at least 25-50 buyins liquid.

i, however, have not reached a level of ballertude where i'm willing to pay $3.5+$1tip for their bottles of water. i bring one from home. guess that means i must be broke. :cry:

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My understanding is that Garrett moved up to nose bleed stakes because he hit big with a bit coin investment, not because he grinded his way there. That’s what I heard anyway.
 

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you should see my Buddy's 2004 Goat I wanna say is pushing 1,100 and some odd horses in that lil bad boy wicked fast twin turbs it's wild
oh wow, I'd love to see that! Mine is Procharged, pushing somewhere around mid 500hp to the wheels on 7psi of boost. Nothing crazy, but good enough that I can drive it around as a daily most of the time and still have fun without getting too sketchy. I'll probably never get rid of this car.
 

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LOL at "Lebron could wipe MJ off the floor" thank you for the funniest thing I have heard all year 30days to go don't think that will be topped

if MJ played in todays soft as baby ass league he would avg 45-50pts a game he was doing things 30-almost 40yrs ago that people still can't do LOL

oh now I see why you are from LA well Kobe RIP was better than Bron and MJ was better than Kob so that's settled Carry On
i can't stand the lakers i root for the clippers out of spite but really i'm an 80s pistons fan. but thank you for settling this for me :)
 
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