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Many thanks to @Tommy for his help loading and unloading the awesome 32-inch casino roulette wheel he sold me today. It's made by T.S. John Huxley for Paulson, and weighs enough that we'll both be breaking out the Motrin tonight.

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I played roulette once at Greek Town Casino after I won a bunch of money in the poker room. I had a blast. I only lost 100 bucks (low stakes). Holy shit was it addicting. I vowed to never play again.

It was easily the most fun I had while losing my loot!
 
The photo doesn't do justice to this wheel. It's gorgeous, and the finish absolutely glows. Tommy found a good one and took great care of it!
 
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Many thanks to @Tommy for his help loading and unloading the awesome 32-inch casino roulette wheel he sold me today. It's made by T.S. John Huxley for Paulson, and weighs enough that we'll both be breaking out the Motrin tonight.

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That is breathtakingly beautiful. I love all that wood. So nice!!!

Im not asking what you paid but what is that worth ballpark? I would love a wheel but I wouldnt bother unless it was a beauty like that!
 
Im not asking what you paid but what is that worth ballpark?

Nice full-size / casino size wheels like this one come up for sale only occasionally. I've been looking for one for some time. The price depends on the condition.

Brand new Huxley or Paulson wheels are in the $5,000 to $7,000 range. Because of their weight (approximately 200 pounds), shipping can add quite a bit.

Used casino-size wheels are all over the map. There are a few out there in good shape in the $2,000 to $3,500 range.

If you multiply the diameter by $100, you're probably close.

One key to geting a good wheel: casino suppliers use the term "professional quality," to identify wheels that are tested for bias and are legal for casino use. The spinners on these wheels glide like a dream.

Other wheels -- the smaller ones made for home use -- are essentially novelty wheels. They might be brand new and look really nice, but one spin and you might feel or even hear the spinner rubbing. Even a tiny imperfection in the spin can result in a bias, and long-term results will show more of certain numbers.
 
Are all single zeroes known as European, or does 'European' refer to the sequence of numbers?

Both, really. Single-zero wheels are also called European. Double-zero, American.

Each types has a different number sequence or order of numbers, but the sequence will be the same on every single-zero wheel or every double-zero wheel.

I've heard there a casinos using a "triple zero" on their wheels. I've never seen one.
 
Both, really. Single-zero wheels are also called European. Double-zero, American.

Each types has a different number sequence or order of numbers, but the sequence will be the same on every single-zero wheel or every double-zero wheel.

I've heard there a casinos using a "triple zero" on their wheels. I've never seen one.

In 2018, the Venetian only staffed triple zero roulette. Double zero was out there but not open.
Planet Hollywood has one triple zero table on the floor, as does NY-NY. If 3 out of all the strip hotels doesn't cause concern, keep in mind that PH and NY-NY are owned by Caesars and MGM respectively.

Basically, Wynn and Casino Royale are the only properties that aren't visibly considering pushing the house edge from 5.26% to 7.69%.

Also, love the wheel Dennis. I could see some really fun nights with that and a group of friends, especially if the stakes were low, or it was being played tournament-style.
 
Lots of ideas for this wheel. We'll be using it at our casino party events.

I might do some online videos with it, or even offer live remote roulette.

If you've already got the flat screen on the wall in your poker room, you throw a 6' or 8' table in front of it. Get a layout and chips. (We could send those to you.) Rather than ship or drive 200 pounds of wheel to your house, we spin the wheel live via video online to your device, mirrored to the flat screen.

You would just need someone to act as croupier.
 
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Nice wheel Dennis!

Fun personal story: in my 25 years of playing poker and going to casinos I have only ever gambled once on any other game than poker. It was 20 years ago at the Taj in AC at ~3am and my buddy and I were both up on poker winnings and he convinced me to hit the floor with him. We walked up to an empty $20 min roulette table and I cashed in $20. I didn’t realize that you could spread those chips around so I just put the whole stack on 22 black. It was the only bet on the table. She spun and I hit. I grabbed the ~$700 chips and cashed out. In my excitement I totally forgot to tip the dealer. I haven't gambled in 20 years since because I know karma is going to hit me hard for not tipping that dealer. Plus I can say my lifetime gambling win rate is 3500%!
 
Nice wheel Dennis!

Fun personal story: in my 25 years of playing poker and going to casinos I have only ever gambled once on any other game than poker. It was 20 years ago at the Taj in AC at ~3am and my buddy and I were both up on poker winnings and he convinced me to hit the floor with him. We walked up to an empty $20 min roulette table and I cashed in $20. I didn’t realize that you could spread those chips around so I just put the whole stack on 22 black. It was the only bet on the table. She spun and I hit. I grabbed the ~$700 chips and cashed out. In my excitement I totally forgot to tip the dealer. I haven't gambled in 20 years since because I know karma is going to hit me hard for not tipping that dealer. Plus I can say my lifetime gambling win rate is 3500%!

Awesome! The 22 bet is legendary from the old movie, "Casablanca," of course. One of my favorite scenes in the film.
 
Ohh I didn’t realize that. It’s my birth date. I need to rewatch Casablanca now!
You probably remember the scene.

A young woman approaches Rick. Her husband (of 8 weeks) is trying to win enough at roulette to buy an exit visa, but is losing. She asks Rick if Captain Renault is a man of his word. They very tactfully dance around the question of sleeping with Renault for the exit visa.

Rick then goes to the Roulette table. He sees the husband, down to his last few chips, who is about to give up.

He leans into the player, "Have you tried 22 tonight?", then his eyes shift to the dealer while still appearing to talk to the player "I said 22."

22 Black hits.

The man smiles as he pulls in his winnings.

"Leave it there", says Rick, without emotion.

22 Black again.

"Cash it in, and don't come back."
 
Basically, Wynn and Casino Royale are the only properties that aren't visibly considering pushing the house edge from 5.26% to 7.69%.
Well, Wynn couldn‘t withstand either, at least since april there‘s triple zero as well. 12 strip casinos added triple zero so far. Basically the same as with 6:5 BlackJack, one starts and all others follow.

But then they are whining about decline of gaming revenue...
 
or even offer live remote roulette.

If you've already got the flat screen on the wall in your poker room, you throw a 6' or 8' table in front of it. Get a layout and chips. (We could send those to you.) Rather than ship or drive 200 pounds of wheel to your house, we spin the wheel live via video online to your device, mirrored to the flat screen.

You would just need someone to act as croupier.
CTO.
 
Fun personal story: in my 25 years of playing poker and going to casinos I have only ever gambled once on any other game than poker. It was 20 years ago at the Taj in AC at ~3am and my buddy and I were both up on poker winnings and he convinced me to hit the floor with him. We walked up to an empty $20 min roulette table and I cashed in $20. I didn’t realize that you could spread those chips around so I just put the whole stack on 22 black. It was the only bet on the table. She spun and I hit. I grabbed the ~$700 chips and cashed out. In my excitement I totally forgot to tip the dealer. I haven't gambled in 20 years since because I know karma is going to hit me hard for not tipping that dealer. Plus I can say my lifetime gambling win rate is 3500%!

I had a similar story at an Illinois riverboat 20+ years ago... I was playing $5/hand Blackjack and as the evening got later, the table switched to $25/minimum per hand. I picked up my five red birds and headed toward the door, passing a roulette table on the way out. I put a red chip on a single number and lost twice, but hit on the third spin for $175. In my haste, I failed to tip the dealer. I don't think I've played roulette since.

I also recall a story of a bachelor party at a casino. One of the party was not much of a gambler, so he sat at the roulette table and put one $5 chip on red and a second on black. Spin after spin, the dealer would collect the losing chip and use it to pay off the winning chip... Literally just moving the chip from one box to the other. And then, every 30 or 40 spins, the dealer would take both chips. That has to be THE WORST strategy in the casino. Death by a thousand paper cuts...zero percent chance of winning. It's not like he was even getting free drinks!
 
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I was at a Trisha Yearwood concert in Las Vegas years ago and she told a story about her mom and roulette and said if you pass a roulette table on the way back to your room tonight, play a $5 chip on 19 for her mom. I did and it hit on 2 of the first 3 spins. I played a few more spins with no luck but still cashed out over $200.
 
My last roulette story involved waiting for a pizza in Las Vegas.

We timed it to be 2 minutes between spins. The table (00), none of that triple-zero BS. The calculated losses for a $10 minimum come in at $7.90 for a half hour.

Timed it perfectly as the server came by so we ordered drinks, which came in plenty of time before the pizza guy texted to let us know he was pulling up. $7.90 for 2 drinks isn't a terrible price to pay.

I wound up winning. Not a lot, but enough to earn the delivery driver a very generous tip.
...and the server.
...and the dealer.

By the time I tipped everyone, I was even, we had a drinks, and a hot pizza.

Who doesn't love short-term roulette?
 
Well, Wynn couldn‘t withstand either, at least since april there‘s triple zero as well. 12 strip casinos added triple zero so far. Basically the same as with 6:5 BlackJack, one starts and all others follow.

But then they are whining about decline of gaming revenue...


This is why I wanted a single zero wheel. Better odds for the players, and a little classier, I think.
 
You probably remember the scene.

A young woman approaches Rick. Her husband (of 8 weeks) is trying to win enough at roulette to buy an exit visa, but is losing. She asks Rick if Captain Renault is a man of his word. They very tactfully dance around the question of sleeping with Renault for the exit visa.

Rick then goes to the Roulette table. He sees the husband, down to his last few chips, who is about to give up.

He leans into the player, "Have you tried 22 tonight?", then his eyes shift to the dealer while still appearing to talk to the player "I said 22."

22 Black hits.

The man smiles as he pulls in his winnings.

"Leave it there", says Rick, without emotion.

22 Black again.

"Cash it in, and don't come back."

Man, I wish I was cool enough to have done this purposefully with this in mind. Neither my friend nor the dealer made any connection either but this sounds eerily similar. I was just so giddy like a school girl I grabbed my chips an dashed out. I had no cool. BUT, that win bought us a big ass (old tube) television for our poker/pool basement den for our college house!

But knowing this now makes my story feel much cooler. I need to rewatch it. It's been decades.
 
The only roulette story I have is from Metropolis Illinois about 14 years ago. Went there with friend from work and his wife and my wife. Me and my buddy went to play Black Jack. After a couple hours the ladies come running over to us telling us we have to come see something after that hand.

So we walk over to the roulette table. No one in sight but the dealer (spinner?) They get out some chips and put them on random numbers. Me and my buddy are watching as the dealer starts the wheel. The girls are just giddy with anticipation. The dealer drops the ball, watches the wheel for a bit and looks at me and my buddy and says "18"...well you guessed it, when the ball came to a rest it was on 18. I looked at my buddy and back to the dealer and said "BS do it again" so again the girls bet, this time I bet putting a $5 bet on 12. Dealer goes through the same process. Looks us dead in the eyes and says 24....ball lands on 24. I tell the girls we are done here, he proceeded to tell us he'd been doing this so long he could look at the wheel and tell where the ball would land 9 times out of 10.

At this point I couldn't even wrap my mind around how horrible this is if true and how easy it would be to sham people. The girls talked about how they kept hitting their numbers...being the only 2 at the table.

Now being the guy that I am, I just figured this guy is dealing roulette with 2 nicely dressed ladies who are drinking and appear to be alone...this guy was trying to score...and hopefully get a double dip!

Anyway, I've never been able to verify if something like this was even possible or if this guy was just full of shit. Either way the girls spent the rest of the night with us at the Black Jack tables lol.
 
The only roulette story I have is from Metropolis Illinois about 14 years ago. Went there with friend from work and his wife and my wife. Me and my buddy went to play Black Jack. After a couple hours the ladies come running over to us telling us we have to come see something after that hand.

So we walk over to the roulette table. No one in sight but the dealer (spinner?) They get out some chips and put them on random numbers. Me and my buddy are watching as the dealer starts the wheel. The girls are just giddy with anticipation. The dealer drops the ball, watches the wheel for a bit and looks at me and my buddy and says "18"...well you guessed it, when the ball came to a rest it was on 18. I looked at my buddy and back to the dealer and said "BS do it again" so again the girls bet, this time I bet putting a $5 bet on 12. Dealer goes through the same process. Looks us dead in the eyes and says 24....ball lands on 24. I tell the girls we are done here, he proceeded to tell us he'd been doing this so long he could look at the wheel and tell where the ball would land 9 times out of 10.

At this point I couldn't even wrap my mind around how horrible this is if true and how easy it would be to sham people. The girls talked about how they kept hitting their numbers...being the only 2 at the table.

Now being the guy that I am, I just figured this guy is dealing roulette with 2 nicely dressed ladies who are drinking and appear to be alone...this guy was trying to score...and hopefully get a double dip!

Anyway, I've never been able to verify if something like this was even possible or if this guy was just full of shit. Either way the girls spent the rest of the night with us at the Black Jack tables lol.

Pics of the women would really bring this story home...

I'm seeing Petra, sipping on a cocktail straw... How far off am I?

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Pics of the women would really bring this story home...

I'm seeing Petra, sipping on a cocktail straw... How far off am I?

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Well one of them is my wife...and maybe I'm partial but she's an attractive woman. The other was my buddies now Ex wife...and she was...what's a PC way of putting this....
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She was wearing a very revealing outfit let's just say.

Here I just wanna know if it's possible for a roulette dealer to get good enough he can tell where the ball will land and you guys just want pics of the ladies!
 
My roulette story is a little more wholesome.

Two and a half years ago. My bachelor party. Borgata in AC. After a nice dinner with some good wine at Angeline, the group of the 4 of us hit the blackjack tables. I put down a couple hundred dollars and double up in about 30 minutes. I stood up and took my chips with the next dealer change. My buddies played another 20 minutes while I people watched. Now, my crew is my wife's kid cousin (literally turned 21 two months before this) and had never been in a casino before that night. My best man is a decent blackjack player but he was running even over the course of the hour we spent there. 4th member of the group was new to blackjack and mostly played craps. After about an hour at the blackjack table, we walked to a craps table so the 4th member can play his game of choice. He bombs out after like 30 minutes after rolling a couple of snake eyes. With the night still young, we look around for something for my wife's cousin to participate in.

So we settle on roulette, figuring that's simple enough. We tell him to bet on black or red to keep things simple. He pulls out a $20 on a $10 minimum table and puts the first two $5's on red. Loses. He looks at his last two red chips as the next spin is started, and I see him start to freeze. He literally was waving his hand over the board over the numbers. After the spinner calls last bets, he stops waving his hand and nervously plops the chips on 17. Guess what number hit?

He bought drinks the rest of the night :D
 
I love that this is turning into degen roulette stories. She is such a cruel mistriss. I’ll kiss and tell my own story with this alluring feme fatal to the wallet.

I was 21 years old and on company sponsored fun trip to Vegas. Young, single, and before I was brave enough to play poker in casinos, I still had the degen tingles and couldn’t wait to put clay to felt.

We were staying at MGM and I met some buddies on the casino floor to get gamblin’. One of them suggests we walk down the strip and hop in each casino to make some quick bets. Being young and stupid I decide this is a great idea.

I also decide that the way to do this is to put $100 on black and show what a high roller I am.

Long story short, about 2 miles and six casinos later I am 0-6 and have exhausted my entire $600 gambling budget in the first 2 hours in Vegas. The next 3 days I focused on drinking and such which was probably plus EV anyway. It was probably fun but I do t remember much of it.

But then, at 3:30 am the night before our early morning flight home, my roommate shakes me awake and says “common, get $200 out of the ATM I have a plan to make us both even”.

Turns out his plan is something called the gamblers fallacy. But I don’t know that yet. All I know is we are cruising the floor of the MGM looking for wheels with at least 5 red or black in a row. Then, we are min betting against the streak. If we win, we pocket the chips and look for another streak to bet against. If we lose, we double our bets. If we lose again, we keep doubling. This plan works like magic and in about an hour I have exactly $800 in chips in my pocket. This is a considerable percentage of my broke net worth at the time.

And then I made a mistake. Sure, the min bet was $10. It was about 4:00 am after all. But my big shot decided it was a good idea to bet $25 on black on a 5 red number board. I lost.

no biggie. I pulled out $50 and slapped them on black. Red again. Hmmm.

I pulled out a black chip and put that on Black. This reminded me of my terrible walk a few days ago. Before I could push that bad juju out of my mind the ball was in a red cup. Damn. This girl was serious. Maybe even serial.

I got serious too. $200 went on black. One pretty black cup and I am up from where I started. Now I look at the dealer and give him the I am serious dude look that in hindsight he probably gets a lot and just hates. Oh well. He was probably happy when the ball landed in the green slot. Rigged!

so now it was game on. $425 comes out of the pocket and slams onto the black spot. It’s now or never. No more bullets left. I promise myself if I win this hand I will cash out and never be irresponsible in a casino again. My buddy cannot believe how many rolls have come with no black. There is no way it won’t hit. The ball is spun and it rolls and Rolls. I close my eyes, listening for the tink of the ball against the metal lips of the cup.

Red. It’s all I see. I stand in stunned sadness. Trying to absorb what has happened. Calculating how many hours of work that represented. The only thing that shakes me out of my stupor is the next roll. Black. What a kick in the balls. i was one $800 bullet short.

That was the day I decided I needed a lucky coach. I’m glad I lost because I never had to honor my promise not to degen In casinos anymore. I still do, but I keep a healthy respect for the mistriss and wryly smile that I learned my lesson early. That loss is also what inspired me to learn poker more and that has been very much +EV.

But I still hit that Roulette mistriss up now and then for the reminiscent degen tingles.
 
Anyway, I've never been able to verify if something like this was even possible or if this guy was just full of shit.

I can't assume anything about a particular roulette wheel, but casinos (and gaming regulators) go to incredibly great lengths to ensure that the result of any given spin of a roulette wheel is truly random.

No one -- player, croupier, or anyone else -- should be able to tell what number is going to come out next.

The casino actually counts on this randomness -- this unpredictability. It's how they make their money at the game.

And it's how most of us lose money when we play roulette -- by assuming we can guess that next number, by believing in "luck" or streaks, or by presuming that the next spin has anything at all to do with the last spin, or the last 100 spins.

I'd say that croupier was a showman, and an incredibly lucky one.

But if you met your wife at that table and you are still together, you were pretty lucky, too.
 

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