Is online poker dead? (1 Viewer)

I wonder if anybody can answer this. I live not too far from Canada. Would it be possible to open a bank account in Canada and get some type of internet service fairly cheap and then play PS in the US using the Canadian internet service? On the surface it seems possible, but does anyone know if it can be done? And would the internet fees eat up any possible profit I could make?

VPNs / or remote desktops work great most of the time, I use one every day to watch TV, sure you could do it for online poker, but is it worth the risk?

If ABC or CNN catch me, they stop me watching, If a poker room catch you, they keep you money, maybe even flag you as a fraudster with your bank

I even turned on a US VPN while playing on pokerstars in error, the account was locked and it took over a week to get it sorted out, only after everything needed to commit identity theft, I mean proof I was residing at home in another country at the time

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One scandal.

Do you know how many debtors got shafted by The Revel? By Trump casinos?

Not the same as deposit accounts, I know, but if you leave an asset with a third party for an extended period, you always run a risk.

Nothing is new. You trade one set of problems for a similar set of analogous problems.
 
One scandal.

Do you know how many debtors got shafted by The Revel? By Trump casinos?

Not the same as deposit accounts, I know, but if you leave an asset with a third party for an extended period, you always run a risk.

Nothing is new. You trade one set of problems for a similar set of analogous problems.


One scandal? FTP or superuser accounts at UB/Absolute?

I gave up online poker the day neteller went away. I hated leaving a balance on poker sites.
 
This is why I keep a bitcoin wallet. I don't use it for anything else and I buy back in with a card when I bust, but at the end of a session I withdraw all funds via bitcoin and I deposit it all back when I get back on.
 
Which online poker room has the most action for US players? I spend half an hour looking online, and there isn't that "one" resource that tells you everything.

edit - nevermind, the 2+2 Internet Poker forum was useful in this regard.
 
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I know, I know, most don't want to Pay- To - Play at WPT.com, but I enjoy it and at the end of the Month,spent a whole lot less than the $24.95 per Month.

I won a play-off satalite to the WPT Main Event Satalite for 3 WPT Oklahoma Seats. Didn't win a seat, but was never able to do it in real money games.

Play all I want and really enjoy it .....
 
Have not played online poker in at least 5 years, probably more. Signed up for rakeback at americas cardroom. Bought some bitcoin, got it immediately, deposited it, started playing immediately. Username LotteryDiscountz. Playing some $10 freeroll for shits n giggles.
 
Did some observing at low and micro stakes while playing my freeroll. Play is bad. Watched one guy lose his stack all in on the flop PLO with the sucker end of a straight.
 
No, there are still a lot of good places to play ! Online poker is not dead and will never die...
 
Dragging up a zombie thread that has been 3 1/2 yrs without a post.... Feels like we should have just started a new thread asking the same question as the OP.

OP's question is still valid 3 1/2 yrs later.

My answer is that it isn't dead, but it might as well be, at least in the US. I am speaking about the states where the Black Friday laws still apply.

I have played recently on Ignition/Bovada, ACR and Carbon & can say with confidence that a little 5c/10c nl 6 max game on Ignition is usually significantly tougher than most live 2/5nl games. Can you win? Yes. Is it anything like the glory days pre black Friday? Nope

Live poker has gotten significantly tougher too & I don't see any of that changing unless we go back to opening up online poker in the US. In my mind that is the only thing that will ignite any sort of increase in popularity of poker.
 
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I have played recently on Ignition/Bovada, ACR and Carbon & can say with confidence that a little 5c/10c nl 6 max game on Ignition is usually significantly tougher than most live 2/5nl games. Can you win? Yes. Is it anything like the glory days pre black Friday? Nope

Live poker has gotten significantly tougher too & I don't see any of that changing unless we go back to opening up online poker in the US. In my mind that is the only thing that will ignite any sort of increase in popularity of poker.
I remember those "good old days" well. Just last year I found I still had my poker fold in the file cabinet. All my account log-in info, net-teller account, website bonus status. Those were fun times. You didnt have to have any skill or worry how anyone else played. Just open a ton of game windows and play a pure TAG strategy.
 
I remember those "good old days" well.........Those were fun times. You didnt have to have any skill or worry how anyone else played. Just open a ton of game windows and play a pure TAG strategy.
What made it the "good old days" was that there were tons of new players & it is the exact opposite now.

I KNOW for sure when I play live there aren't new players because I almost always recognize everyone at the table now. Back in the day half of the table would be new faces. I suspect that in the US online it there are even fewer new players.

Something has to change in order to get now players to start playing again otherwise poker is going to continue down it's current path. In my opinion the number #1 best thing for poker everywhere, including cardrooms, would be for them to open up online everywhere again.
 
i started a challenge on ggpoker where i deposit $20 and only play $0.01/0.02 to see how much i can make. ive played about 4 hours and am up 2 and a half buy ins despite being on the losing end of some 40-100bb pots

its a fun challenge for me, i initially started on ggpoker with a $20 buy in 3 december to see how it compared with pokerstars (aka jokerstars, 2 outs on the river stars) and made it up to $64 doing the same thing and using my deposit bonus.

the reason im doing this is because ive never documented my performance and want to create a weekly profit/loss graph on gg.
 
dead is a strong word. it's still running that's for sure. from the perspective of a for profit player though it's pretty well on life support.

you look at anything behind $100nl cash on the major sites and the tables are crammed with regs (strong regs by anyones standards) that it often seems questionable whether anyones beating the rake. In fact i'd say it's likely that none are at 1/2nl without rakeback/benefits and it's only when you get up to $500nl that you start seeing table winners on the major sites and winrate ceilings are still quite low. I don't think there's much of a chance, for instance, that there are true 5bb/100 winners at $500zoom on stars (though i'm sure there are people who believe they are after playing a statistically insignificant number of hands and running a bit hot).

ymmv because i'm really only talking about international sites. i've heard american sites are softer and of course private games are all over the map.
 
I'm as big a fan of chips as anyone, but I learned how to play on poker stars and full tilt. Nickel and dime limit holdem, Omaha, and stud evolved into horse and badugi. I made no money online, but I gained a lot of confidence going into a casino and reading flops.

I'm really out of the loop now. Work, kids, and the doj have destroyed my poker appetite. Gone are the days of watching Phil Ivey and Matt Hawrilenko playing heads up $2k / 4k holdem late at night on full tilt.

Are there any good options in Pennsylvania any more? Would love to get back in the game if possible.
If you’re in the US and prefer limit games, then yes, online poker is dead. Black Friday killed it dead!

if you prefer NLHE or PLO, online poker is alive and well. The rub: the fish pond has largely drained itself. NLHE kinda depends upon limit games to restock the pond, so to speak. The games are there, but nobody’s restocking the pond.
 
In the past limit was the primary game played and when people won big at it they sometimes donked off stacks in nl. Not a good example IMO and I think tournaments are more of a feeder to nl cash and yet even they aren’t enough to make the games reliably lucrative.

the problem isn’t lack of bad players IMO it’s that their presence is always so diluted because the number of grinders is so high, and the quality of grinder has gone up dramatically over the past 5 to 10 years.

This is more commentary on international sites than American servers. Demographics are very different from many countries - recreational players play way smaller and wages are so low that people will grind hard for an hourly that’s barely livable by western standards.
 
Can you elaborate on this? Why are big bet games dependent on fixed limit games?
It isn't that they depend on fixed limit, but more so that they depend on weaker players to pay the rake and fund the few winning players, right? There is a fundamental problem with big bet games and that is that it destroys the weaker player too fast & they tend to stop coming. When the weaker players stop coming then the slightly winning players become break even and the break even players become losing players. The cycle continues like this and eventually you are left with a very difficult game that only a few very good players are willing to play in.

Since weaker players have a better chance of winning in games where there is more luck involved (fixed limit falls into this category) then they will keep coming around much longer. Think about it like this: Lets say it is your first time going to the card room and you play a game that is equally dependent on skill as chess is. You play the game and you are a beginner and 100% of the time you get beat by the chess master, right? The next day you come back and do it all over again, same result. The third day rinse & repeat etc. Once you figure out that you have 0% chance of ever beating this chess master what are you going to do? Most people are going to quit and never come back.

Limit lets weaker players win more frequently because there is more luck involved in limit. Eventually all the best players will become winning players and all the weaker players will be losers too, just like in nl, but the losers are fooled into thinking they can win or they have a chance of winning.

Why do you think Casinos pay out anything at all on a slot machine. How long do you think people would continue to play slots if they never payed anything out? Put your money in, nothing. Put your money in, nothing etc etc. Pretty soon word gets around that the slots NEVER pay anything and it won't take long an NO ONE is playing slots...

Same principle

What has happened over the past 10 yrs (basically since Pokers Black Friday) is that there have been almost no new poker players added to the player pool. To make matters worse, nl was popularized by poker on TV and glorified as the only real poker. So you combine relatively few new players and a game that cleans out any new/weak players that do happen to come along MUCH more quickly than in the past when people played other games and the result is that poker is dying a slow but steady death.

Almost no one actually knows and understands this, but > 90% of the people playing poker would be much better off playing limit. Even the absolute worst limit players will experience some success so they wind up having more fun and playing longer and coming back
 

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