Tourney Ideal Breakdown for 30 Person T10,000 Set? (1 Viewer)

[gopherblue]

Looking to build a 30 person T10,000 tourney set, with 25/100/500/1000/5000 chips.

Want to be able to support rebuys. Will use large chips for color-ups.

Interested in the following starting stacks: 8/8/4/7, 12/12/7/5 and 16/16/6/5. (Although I'm ok if we can't use the largest starting stack when 30 players involved.)

Also, want to keep the set to 1000 or under in chips.

Thoughts?

 

[links_slayer]

I'll offer my 2¢:

21 to 30 players: 8-8-4-7
up to 20 players: 12-12-7-5 (12-12-3-7 would be my preference)

You'd need a minimum of

240-240-140-210 to cover everything which leaves 170 chips for rounding out stacks/racks and adding 5ks for color-ups and re-buys.

 

[pltrgyst]

12/12/7/5 is over 1000 chips for 30 starting stacks as well.

 

[manamongkids]

My breakdown was
300 x 25
300 x 100
160 x 500
160 x 1000
80 x 5000

Starting stack was:
1 x 5k
2 x 1k
4 x 500
8 x 100
8 x 25
23 chips total

had enough chips for up to 34 ( I think) starting stacks with room to color up a bit as well.

 

[MaxB]

I'd go 12/12/7/5 because early blinds use a ton of 25's (before people loosen up and bet bigger)

30 people

25 - 360
100 - 360
500 - 210
1k - 150

rebuys 30 people * 2 = 60 5k chips
color ups:
100 - 40 (for 25 color ups)
1k - 50 (for 100 color ups)
5k - 20 (for big color ups)

so I would say:
25 - 360 + 20 extras
100 - 400
500 - 210 + 10 for extras
1k - 200
5k - 80 + 20 extras

total chips: 1300 chips (y) :thumbsup:

 

[gopherblue]

What about this 900 chip breakdown?

T25 x 240
T100 x 240
T500 x 180
T1000 x 180
T5000 x 40
T10K x 20

For 30 players: 8/8/6/6, with 24 x T5000 for color-ups and 16 x T5000s and 20 x T10,000s for rebuys.

Could also support:

20 players at 12/12/7/5
15 players at 16/16/6/5
10 players at 20/20/7/4 or 24/24/6/4

Is there a more efficient breakdown than 900 chips? Can I get to 800?

 

[ChaosRock]

900 Chip Set:

240/240/120/220/80 for 900 chips...

For 30 players: 8/8/4/7

Could also support:

20 players at 12/12/5/6
15 players at 16/16/6/5
10 players at 20/20/5/5 or 24/24/4/5

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Sure, if you can live with 8/8/4/2/1 for 21-30 players, you can to 800. And still do 12/12/5/6 for up to 20. Though that may leave you a barrel short for rebuys.

 

[courage]

1000 chips, 12-12-5-6 that works for 25 players. Add in others with bigger chips.

T25 x 300
T100 x 300
T500 x 160
T1000 x 200
T5000 x 40

Unless you need bounties.

 

[gopherblue]

Sure, if you can live with 8/8/4/2/1 for 21-30 players, you can to 800. And still do 12/12/5/6 for up to 20. Though that may leave you a barrel short for rebuys.

Do either of these 800 chip breakdowns work well (in actual practice) for 30 players?

8/8/4/2/1, although 12 (1st breakdown) or 16 (2nd breakdown) players can have 8/8/4/7. Is that too few T1000s across all the tables?
Any other downsides?

T25 x 240
T100 x 240
T500 x 120
T1K x 120
T5K x 60
T10K x 20

OR

T25 x 240
T100 x 240
T500 x 120
T1K x 140
T5K x 40
T10K x 20

 

[Poker Zombie]

I have yet to run 30 players at 10,000 (it would be a long friggin tournament), but my breakdown in the event it happens is...

8 x 25
8 x 100
4 x 500
2 x 1000
1 x 5000

Set includes
300 x 25
250 x 100
200 x 500
200 x 1000
40 x 5000
10 x 25,000

I greatly prefer 12 x25s to start, but the likely hood of getting 30 players seemed unreasonable. Then, right after the CPC chips were delivered, I had 30 players sign up for a game. :

 

[jbutler]

10k stacks, 1 rebuy per player (2 5K chips), coloring up all greens/blacks/purples with 1Ks and most of the 1Ks with 5Ks.

8/8/4/7

240 (25)
240 (100)
120 (500)
300 (1000)
100 (5000)

 

[gopherblue]

Thanks for all the good advice. I think I'm strongly leaning to this 800 chip breakdown for 30 players.

8/8/4/2/1, but 16 players can have 8/8/4/7.

Before I pull the trigger...Is that too few T1000s across all the tables?
Any other downsides?

T25 x 240
T100 x 240
T500 x 120
T1K x 140
T5K x 40
T10K x 20

 

[Poker Zombie]

Assume you will be heads up at 10,000 - 20,000, with about 400,000 on the table. A heavy rebuy night (more than 33%) will screw you.

Can you go with T25,000 instead of T10,000?

 

[jbutler]

Thanks for all the good advice. I think I'm strongly leaning to this 800 chip breakdown for 30 players.

8/8/4/2/1, but 16 players can have 8/8/4/7.

Before I pull the trigger...Is that too few T1000s across all the tables?
Any other downsides?

T25 x 240
T100 x 240
T500 x 120
T1K x 140
T5K x 40
T10K x 20

Assume you will be heads up at 10,000 - 20,000, with about 400,000 on the table. A heavy rebuy night (more than 33%) will screw you.

Can you go with T25,000 instead of T10,000?

Yeah I take from the breakdown, goph is planning to use the T10ks for rebuys only and will cap rebuys at 20. Not unreasonable imo.

 

[gopherblue]

Assume you will be heads up at 10,000 - 20,000, with about 400,000 on the table. A heavy rebuy night (more than 33%) will screw you.

Can you go with T25,000 instead of T10,000?

Yeah I take from the breakdown, goph is planning to use the T10ks for rebuys only and will cap rebuys at 20. Not unreasonable imo.

Am I missing something? I have enough extra chips to color up the T25/T100/T500 chips with T1000s and T5000s, and have enough T5000s and T10,000s to offer 24 rebuys. Is that too few? That's enough for 80% of the field to rebuy, no?

 

[jbutler]

Am I missing something? I have enough extra chips to color up the T25/T100/T500 chips with T1000s and T5000s, and have enough T5000s and T10,000s to offer 24 rebuys. Is that too few? That's enough for 80% of the field to rebuy, no?

I think it's the best you will do keeping it to 800 chips total. Really easy to know there are enough chips: with max rebuys, you'll have 20 players in for 20k and 10 players in for 10k. That's 500k. You'll have 100 1k chips, 40 5k chips, and 20 10k chips on the table at the end. 500k.

There might be a little change being made at the table given that the starting stacks are light on the 1ks, but it's fine. The 30-player tourney will be a rarity, so you can start with more 1ks when you have more modestly sized fields.

 

[gopherblue]

There might be a little change being made at the table given that the starting stacks are light on the 1ks, but it's fine. The 30-player tourney will be a rarity, so you can start with more 1ks when you have more modestly sized fields.

Agreed, and I'll be able to give 16 of the starting stacks 7 T1000s instead of only 2, so those should alleviate the change-making.

 

[gopherblue]

I think it's the best you will do keeping it to 800 chips total.

Do you really think I should just say "screw it" and make the set 1000 chips?

 

[links_slayer]

Do you really think I should just say "screw it" and make the set 1000 chips?

yes

 

[jbutler]

Do you really think I should just say "screw it" and make the set 1000 chips?

yes

Natch.

And then make it:

240 (25)
240 (100)
120 (500)
300 (1000)
80 (5000)
20 (25k)

 

[gopherblue]

Natch.

And then make it:

240 (25)
240 (100)
120 (500)
300 (1000)
80 (5000)
20 (25k)

But what does this get me? Still limited to 30 runners. What are all those extra high value chips for?

 

[jbutler]

But what does this get me? Still limited to 30 runners. What are all those extra high value chips for?

Starting with full 8/8/4/7 stacks and having basically unlimited rebuys.

 

[links_slayer]

Starting with full 8/8/4/7 stacks

Rebuys, schmebuys. This ^^ is the most important. While 8-8-4-2-1 will work for T10k, 8-8-4-7 is way better [just my no-so-humble opinion(s)].

 

[Poker Zombie]

Am I missing something? I have enough extra chips to color up the T25/T100/T500 chips with T1000s and T5000s, and have enough T5000s and T10,000s to offer 24 rebuys. Is that too few? That's enough for 80% of the field to rebuy, no?

If the game is running with 10,000 / 20,000 blinds, I would like to color off the T1000s. Pushing and stacking barrels can be messy and cumbersome in the endgame. T10,000s don't give you much that your T5000s cannot handle, so just bump it up to T25,000s. It gives you a nice high ceiling, and less of a panic if a chip breaks or wanders off - because you'll rarely need a full barrel of 25ks.

 

[MaxB]

Do you really think I should just say "screw it" and make the set 1000 chips?

yes

>>8/8/4/2/1

Not a fan of five colors for a starting stack

 

[Trihonda]

Gopher 1000 chips...

I posed this exact same question in my fat tire breakdown thread. Wanted 10k stacks, mostly 20 people, but occasionally 30., got a lot of great advice.

I got 1000 chips, and I'll post a link to the discussion...

Here was the breakdown. The extra rack was simply extras..

240/260/200/200/100

Starting stacks using 12/12 green/black for 20 players, and 8/8 for 30. Got a few more black chips to allow color ups, change, etc...

 

[courage]

Why not 1000 chips? Thot we went over this.

What chips are you buying?

 

[jbutler]

What chips are you buying?

Best question in this thread yet. Gophers aren't supposed to bury chip buying plans.

 

[links_slayer]

240/260/200/200/100

Starting stacks using 12/12 green/black for 20 players, and 8/8 for 30. Got a few more black chips to allow color ups, change, etc...

When you're on a budget in terms of # of chips there is zero sense in getting more small denoms (T25 and T100...and maybe even T500) than are needed for starting stacks.